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Old 03-12-2012, 03:35 PM   #1906
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what do you mean by this?
means we get raked an absurd amount compared to other games
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:46 PM   #1907
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yeah, I agree that 50 bb min would have been ideal... its irrelevant whetever the shortstacks is good or bad, the point is basically that it is much much harder to mass multitable profitable when mass shortstacks (30bb ssers) are present at the tables >>>> less tables >>>> less rake for stars. Its careface for the regs who plays < 10 Tables.
You do realise you're bad for stars right? You take money out of the game and stars give you a high % of rake back. The fact that shorties are making you win less is great for the poker ecology.

These arguments have been beaten to death-i wouldnt expect any changes.

ps. can people please stop starting fast tables.
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:47 PM   #1908
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VPP grinders like them. Seems like fish like them too cause they play one table only and hate waiting.

PS. Zoom is coming soon, it'll change the landscape a lot.
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:55 PM   #1909
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min 50bb tbls would be the best


Last week the shortstacker maffia have just blocked the action at 5/10plo

Wont even sit it in with 3x 300$ stacks at 5/10$
+1 zillion!!!!!!!!

microshortretardstackers BURNNNNNNNN

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Old 03-12-2012, 04:26 PM   #1910
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You do realise you're bad for stars right? You take money out of the game and stars give you a high % of rake back. The fact that shorties are making you win less is great for the poker ecology.

These arguments have been beaten to death-i wouldnt expect any changes.

ps. can people please stop starting fast tables.
I may be bad for the games indeed, but wouldnt any winning player be bad for the games?
I believe im one of the regs which contribute most to the mid stakes games tbh.
The best for stars/the games would obv be mass multitable breakeven players which just feeds rakes to stars.

My point is: when shortstacks are present at the tables it means that the mass multitable regs (20 tables+) with a +2bb/100 winrate (or whatever) will start playing less tables and start table selecting alot more and probably increase the winrate to +6bb/100 (or whatever) Now would that be good for stars? Would that be good for the games?
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Old 03-12-2012, 05:22 PM   #1911
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I think players like me or odd are great for stars.
If we(and some others) wouldn't play a lot of tables wouldn't be started or they would break instantly if a fish leaves.

I think there are a few tables where we just circulate the money and pay (a lot of) rake
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Old 03-12-2012, 09:58 PM   #1912
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Let me just say first, hello to all. My first post here as a "regular", ive moved to stars 2 weeks ago and i like the games. Propably trying to grind SNE this year if i can do 40% of it before WSOP.

I personally dont think shortstacking is that bad for the games,even though it makes MY life really hard since i always play as deep as i can. Also with my vpip and table amounts its hard to notice and open correctly only to 2bbs if in the sb and bb are shortstackers with 20-40bbs. I think that since we have the option to play deep ante tables instead of normal ones we should keep opening them. Antes makes shortstacking lot harder especially for nits who dont know how to do it in the first place.. I would love to have the 50bbs min buy in but since its not happening we should just stick to those deep ante tables.

also fast tables are srsly annoying.
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Old 03-13-2012, 12:44 AM   #1913
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time to change my label on you kren

gl with sne
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Old 03-13-2012, 05:51 AM   #1914
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yeah it really feels like all the people who moan about shortstackers are trying to protect their own interests rather than improve the state of the games.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:12 AM   #1915
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yeah it really feels like all the people who moan about shortstackers are trying to protect their own interests rather than improve the state of the games.
It will always be like that. imo for the whole poker comunity the current 30bb buy in should be better. You can take a shot easier, the fish also like to play short most of the time,...
I also don't really like to play shortstacks, because of the obv reasons, but if we open more deep and ante tables this maybe can be avoided.

I have to say I really dislike the fast tables and I don't really understand why it's necessary to open them.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:32 AM   #1916
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Pretending that recreational players wont by in for 50bb rather than 30bb is just ludicrous.

I also agree that fast tables suck.
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Old 03-13-2012, 08:29 AM   #1917
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I filter out fast tables and full tables and game selection is pretty damn easy for me.
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Old 03-13-2012, 08:39 AM   #1918
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OddOddsen:
I think that you see that online from your perspective. You want stars to make changes so that YOU can grind out 20tables easier? I also think that you are wrong if you think it would be more profitable for stars. Even if they make changes so that you can play more tables they are probably going to lose the rake because the shortstackers would not be able to play that many of them(If at all!)
I think that the games are good right now and there is no need for changes. There are just a handfull lof good shortstackers in the game and the rest sucks anyway. I think Stars should keep everything as it is (for now at least)

Now one question: I believe I have read somewhere at 2+2 that the max cashin/cashout using moneybookers and stars is around 76k$. Is that right? The thing is they dont want to increase my limits to higher than 11.6k€/24h for cashing out. and just 11.6k€/MONTH(!!) for cashing in. How comes? Any help?
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Old 03-13-2012, 09:02 AM   #1919
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time to change my label on you kren

gl with sne
thanks, im still propably one of the biggest fish in 100bb games since i havent really played them at all. In my usual eurosite the games were min 50bb and 200bb buy in so it'll take me a while to adjust to 100bb games.. I have a good feeling about the games and im working hard to close some of my biggest leaks at least. Its been fun lately to see that a lot of people thinks im the mark in the tables since my ptr is also down

Mark my words though, i shall rise from here..
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Old 03-13-2012, 09:17 AM   #1920
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thanks, im still propably one of the biggest fish in 100bb games since i havent really played them at all. In my usual eurosite the games were min 50bb and 200bb buy in so it'll take me a while to adjust to 100bb games.. I have a good feeling about the games and im working hard to close some of my biggest leaks at least. Its been fun lately to see that a lot of people thinks im the mark in the tables since my ptr is also down

Mark my words though, i shall rise from here..
there are the 250bb deep ante tables as well in case you didn't notice

i sent you a pm regarding something
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