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Old 07-09-2012, 07:54 PM   #1
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Exclamation Nuts w/ redraw in 4way all in

Dont post here alot; but this hand from last night has me still tanking; informed opinions welcome.

$2/$3 PLO game with a Max buyin of $300 - Game has been running about 3 hours. Really weak table, lots of limp/calling pre.

I have 5s 7d 8c Qs in mid.

6 players to the flop of 4s 6c 7s

SB $850 ( Fishy reg ) donks $15
BB $250 ( Fish station ) calls $15
UTG $1250 ( Solid winning player - bit spewy ) raises to $75
Hero $2050 ( Big consistent winner in this game ) raises to $270
CO Folds
Button Folds

SB Ships his $850
BB Ships his $250
(Important part) UTG Ships his $1250
Hero ??????????????

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Old 07-09-2012, 08:09 PM   #2
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Re: Nuts w/ redraw in 4way all in

I'd rumble
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Old 07-09-2012, 08:36 PM   #3
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Re: Nuts w/ redraw in 4way all in

Level?
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:11 PM   #4
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Re: Nuts w/ redraw in 4way all in

It doesn't matter whether you flat or raise, the biggest stack is already all in
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:25 PM   #5
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Re: Nuts w/ redraw in 4way all in

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Hero $2050 ( Big consistent winner in this game ) raises to $270
lol sick thinly veiled brag.
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:16 AM   #6
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Re: Nuts w/ redraw in 4way all in

Er, was hoping for a bit more of an intellectual discussion about the hand; maybe this will prompt something: I folded. What range do we put the solid reg on when he reships 400+ bb into me? Can anyone very mathematically inclined do the numbers on pot odds required to call profitably assuming we are chopping with at least 1 person; probably 2, and are often against sets, over-wraps, nut flush draws, and obviously nut hands containing combos of any of these types of hands?

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Old 07-10-2012, 12:19 AM   #7
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Re: Nuts w/ redraw in 4way all in

where is this game?
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Old 07-10-2012, 02:32 AM   #8
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Re: Nuts w/ redraw in 4way all in

So there is $2620 already in the pot and you folded for $980 more (and $270 already in the pot) with the nuts and a Qh flush redraw?

You can't repot and then fold.
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Old 07-10-2012, 03:59 AM   #9
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How are you a big winner in this game
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:01 AM   #10
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How are you a winner in this game
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:08 AM   #11
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Re: Nuts w/ redraw in 4way all in

Terrible fold. Almost never is the amount of times you don't have enough equity to justify fistpump snap shoving.
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Old 07-10-2012, 09:01 AM   #12
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Don't play trash pre if this spot is difficult.
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:17 PM   #13
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@ TS

U seem to totally ignore to fact that all 4 of u/the players are ALWAYS blockin some/ but more often alot of eachothers outs in this spot. For Example; you block with your hand; 2 spades vs higher fd, one 7 that cannot pair the board vs set, one 8 that cant some vs T9xx. Imagine how much is blocked when u include the other 3 hands..

Luckely for u all this didnt matter since u had the nuts + Qhigh fd + bd fh possibillty. No clue why u folded.

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Old 07-10-2012, 12:59 PM   #14
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How are you a big winner in this game
Hi DB; as someone who has played long enough to remember you begging in hsplo for input on your hands at midstakes your comment is pretty pathetic, I was asking for some constructive feedback.

Can you please advise how you would perceive this hand if you were taking a shot at a $1k/$2k during the wsop and the most solid player at the table reshipped $800,000 into you?

Do you even know the maths on this hand? Or can you point me in the direction of somewhere where I can figure it out on my own?

Your aware that the reship for 400+bb is the 5th bet after I have already basically told UTG that I am redrawing? Information is what I want; not your ironically satirical comments. How are we faring if we are up against a set , 2 hands we chop with + the nut FD and maybe a random 89T type hand?

If you say we should get it in here that's fine, im no nit, but against 3 other players, all of which must have some equity where is the line between mandatory call and spew? Obviously we are chopping with at least 1 / probably 2 of the players, I dont know how to do the maths on the chopped pots vs ranges from the SB and UTG that reship as 4th and 5th bets.....
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Old 07-10-2012, 01:09 PM   #15
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So there is $2620 already in the pot and you folded for $980 more (and $270 already in the pot) with the nuts and a Qh flush redraw?

You can't repot and then fold.
I understand the mentality of omg 2.5 - 1 we have nuts + redraw cant fold ever; but really I feel like the hand is alot more complicated that it seems...

Yes we have basically 100bb in the pot - but we have to put in an additional 300+bb~

Ok if we are getting freerolled in 2 spots by SB and UTG by nuts + set and nuts + NFD are we getting the right price to stack off hoping for a chop given we get our $270 back and chop the BB's $250 3 ways ? ( assuming freerolls dont improve )

Also what changes if its the shorty who has set and maybe Sb just has like x589 ?

These are all genuine questions, the only reason I posted this hand is because it was out of the ordinary.
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