If it wasn't doctored he'd have gone out of his way to make sure there was no doubt at this point imo

he has offered in this forum to wager a significant amount that it is not doctored. He has said the amount would need to be significant to justify the hassle he would have to go to to prove it but I guess there is an even money 100k bet there for you if you want it.

Just playing devils advocate.

Easily faked when its eurosites and he can just cherrypick the accounts he won at and forgot the accounts on some skins where he lost.

No way to verify this unless you get all eurosites skins to disclose all accounts in his name plus all accounts from the same ips. Then you are starting to close in on the results.

Ive no opionion besides I cant for my life understand why u win at those rates and stay staked at non noosebleed stakes (read 10 20 and 25 50).

well put

Also quite amazing to be a zillion up over 4 years but go nuts in the chat when u lose two 60/40s hu in a row at plo5k.
BadBeat who apparently staked him over the 7 mill period are the only ones who can really verify if his results are correct but obv they are biased.
Also cant understand why you would remain to be staked at plo5k after cruching like that.

ZZZZZzzzz really you guys should find something better to do.

I’ve never seeked to gain any advantage by posting my graph. I’ve never charged for any coaching despite being offered $1000 an hour plus. I’ve turned down offers to write a PLO book.

FYI as well. Badbeat haven’t always staked me. I’d estimate only about 30-35% of my winnings have come whilst being staked…. I’ve always played my own money separately even when staked. I had 75/25 deal in my favour, so I can’t see why anyone wouldn’t take that.

I’m still willing to risk $60,000 to prove I’ve won at least $5 million dollars across various sites. The reason it’s not $8 million, is if I ask sites for results they will include Hold’em losses, plus I don’t think there is anyway of me getting results from Cryptologic and Virgin Games where I won loads….. Plus I’m lazy, I could prove $5 million really easily…

Terms of the bet if anyone wants it:

If I can’t prove beyond doubt that I’ve won at least $5,000,000 I’ll pay out $60,000

If I can prove beyond doubt that I’ve won at least $5,000,000 I win only $30,000

To motivate me to get closer to the $8 million in winnings, I’d like a bonus of $20,000 for each addition million proved.

So if I prove $5,100,000 for example I only win $30,000. I win $50,000 if between $6,000,000 and $7,000,000 etc

First option goes to good2cu then Jeans…. I’m offering you 2/1 on the bet… lets do it!

hu?

If you want it to rest it might be another way doing this, then some hands from eurosites thats hard to verify (specifically that its all of the hands/accounts as I adressed before). Its not perfect proof but will probarly convince most.

If the results are real I obvs understand you are annoyed that most have problems believing it (also they probarly have trouble because it so sick impressive results if true).


Just let NoahSD or somone similar thats 100% trustworthy, capable and 2p2 background or doesnt have personal interest in your results, see your raw cashout (and deposit) records from your onlinebank(s) trough teamviewer or similar and filter them himself.

They are much harder to fake backwards. And without saying amounts he can easily say stuff like he have cashed out enough netto to legit won 7m where he had 70% of that solo and 75/25 deal on the rest or similar. But need all account and deposit history as well to get this to work since obvs UK players are withdrawing and redposing the same funds at will cause there is no taxes and incentive in keeping a lot offline.


On a sidenote there is no way the haters could bet on your results even if they wanted cause you controll the sources. How to really know what accounts you played on eurosites and skins is impossible to track (you probarly dont even remember all your account I certainly dont remember all mine) get the net results from them and the net results from the session on possible accounts you might played under others names when it was common and not frowned upon.

Obvs a lot to do to prove your results (but there is members of this community that would be trustworthy enough to do it but maybe not willing). But if they are verified you will rightly be crowned as online PLO king for the first decade of online poker. Where the only ones rivaling that would possible be in order (?) Gump, Benyamine and maaaybe Ziig.


I actually believe the results are doable for the record but the staking issue have always confused me but thats actually another discussion and a personal choice (and its always easy to be smart in hindsight).


Im bored but feel with you enough if the results are true to give my 2cents and probarly its a bit of my liking popcorn (drama) as well.


People shouldnt have to pay to verify results that benefit yourself even if you dont use those benefits atm in these Girah-times. And its reasonable that the online community you are part of want proof to verify such bold claims as that graph is. Just to make an example, Girah got sponsorship for his unverified results and 2p2 hype, so thats why they are doing the parallel right or wrongfully.


Also posting something I read a week ago and remember from another thread thats maybe relevant


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4 mil still kind of noice even if the graph is fake (not a hater,imo)

bloop, damn god, why ? if one of my friends said what you said, id think '' he is a noob, he don't play online poker, ok, this looks unreal to the real world''. but damn it bloop, you are a poker player, you plays this stakes, you know its possible win/lose 1million in 1day (as you already did), so whats the big deal? why you saying all this things?

i also think grundy is overrated, but obv i believe in his results. actually i am pretty sure he really won that ammount of money.

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy someone would post fake results in the web? just to looks cool for the comunity? come on. grundy isn't a soul reader as some 2p2ers think.. anyway he is very good player. (but can't read souls as many thinks.. and tahts why i said he is overrated|)

if i was grundy id just post like this ''ok, keep thinking i am overrated, keep thinking i am lyer. i don't give a ****, the money is in my pockets, you don't need believe''.

I can think of so many reasons why someone would fake their results. Don't tell me someone brilliant like you can't think of one good reason ?

What is astonishing is not the fact he won 5-7 Mill imo, it's the fact their is literally no downswing in all his graphs. It's PLO FFS, and the higher stake u play the bigger the swings should be. It's fcin comon to run 100 BI under ev in a really short period of time and this graph seriously lack of **** like that.

^^ yeah the low variance is pretty weird. I love how urubu calls blopp "bloop". Always makes me laugh

talking about fake graph is ridic, just because girah did that doens't means everyone will do. nobody ever really thought about this fake graph at nosebleds (busto fishs make fake graphs everyday at bbv, but not ''great'' ones like girah). also talking about fake graphs here is stupid. grundy deserves more respect. i don't get why this hatting on grundy ?

i agree his graph is very sick esp the ''non variance'' part, but this can happen if you are running hot and playing vs weak players. btw kaintd's graph on ftp was something like 18ptbb over a big sample size w/o variance.

-grundy could say more, but from what i heard this 8mill graph is from 2007 or something like that? and in those years plo was so easy...early 2009 i remember was ridic easy, think about 2007 lol. imo this is why his graph is so sick. but its just a ''guess in the dark'' .

If his graph was posted in 2007 and it shows about 4 years worth of hands it was from 2003-2007. Did they even have nosebleed PLO games running back then? I have no idea, just wondering.

+1 on mbk deserving more respect from the community. He has no motive on faking his graphs as he wasn't even trying to attract everyone's attention like scumbag girah.

so what exactly was the story with girah?

check out NVG. there's a summary

My 2 Cents.. I think Bens greatest skill was the management of his losses. Everybody has the ability to win, but not everybody has the ability to manage themselves as things go bad. Ben had two great mechanisms to protect himself from major downswings i.e. an imposed stop loss from Bad Beat and his hesitation to keep money online which means it was hard for him to go on 10 buyin downswings in a day, never mind 20/30/40 buyin downswings in a day. When he had a bad day he came back fresh the next day, with a better chance of being focused and with the realisation that if things went bad in this sesssion (read as if he didnt clear his head and play well) that he would bust his available roll within an hour or so and he would spend another day away from doing what it is that makes him happy throughout the day i.e. poker.

I dont think its fake, but I think he is waaaay over-rated