I think you might have misread my post replying to you

I don't mind negative/bad comments or feedback pertaining to me or my content. I always ask for good and bad feedback and by putting myself out there so much I am going to end up getting some I didn't ask for. I think it can really help you get better as a person, figure out what you could do better and stay motivated. Even when someone is delivering it with only malicious intent. Sure Alex post makes me want to punch him in the face at first but what else can you expect when you are doing hours of videos talking nonsense.

Threads like this are pretty fun. PLO is boring these days. Alex streaming PLO is good for the games. I think that almost anything to help generate more attention to the game/hsplo forum is a good thing. A 31 day prop bet at a stake that almost anyone railing would be able to play if they could deposit money on the site between 2 people who are both streaming would be amazing for the games, community and the action. Now you can understand better where this idea originated from How many more people do you think checked out this thread that probably would have never looked at it or rarely come to the sub forum and now might start watching AlexKP stream PLO? (He is streaming mid-stakes PLO and getting a bit into his thought process, people will watch this and imo really want to try the game out or play more of it. I hope his stream becomes as popular as it can become.) How many do you think might do the same if we did a prop bet together ? I hate to talk strategy but I thought some of this would be obvious

It seems like those guys are trying to wake up a death men.
All in all i guess poker is death.

I'm pretty sure Joey has badmouthed Alex a lot over the past few months. The claim that he doctored his bluffing hands was a decent joke, but otherwise I am 100% sure Joey has said that Alex is 'fun' before vice versa, and even then he was replying to a question that was posed to him about animosity between the two in chat.

It's all schoolboy stuff, and I suppose we're adding to the problem by voicing an opinion, but I can see why a good winning PLO player wouldn't want the hassle/attention/association to do a bet with someone he doesn't like/respect for the sake of publicity and a comparatively small amount of money to him. To put it in perspective Alex said he has a drinking prop where he can't drink for a year that was in the six figure range. Plus, he claimed the twitch prop money was 'big' too.

But ofc it would be great if it happened.

I actually disagree that a prop bet with Joey would help Alex win his twitch bet because a big part of why his stream is enjoyable to watch is bc he plays few tables and gives great commentary. A prop with Joey would turn the stream into a dude sitting in front of a computer and clicking buttons and I don't think many people would like to watch that

this thread sums up pretty nicely wats wrong with poker these days... nobody has balls no moar...

in 2009 you would now either have a bet or an official statement aka "im sorry, i talked ****"

in 2015 you have neither of those 2 but a lolbad explanation why it's not happening.


funny is also that there are 2 opinions about that case and like 50% of people coming to alex rescue lol. shut up in teh first place if you r not a man of your word and stop bringing excuses.

- he scams you? guess wat, money is escrowed beforehand
- he will have stinger ghosting? guess wat he is playing with webcam 24/7
- he lives in teh usa? guess wat, he would move somewhere else tomoro if that goes down
- people will chipdump to him? wat do you have ****ing judges for?

its pretty damn obv that he knows that he will moast likely lose this bet bc if he plays 100k hands, joe plays half a mirrion, if he plays 300k hands joe plays 1.5mirrion... and you gotta have a damn good winrate to outprofit somebody who is able to play 5times your volume. but obv this alex guy knows that pretty damn well and this is teh sole reason he's not doing that...


so angry now...

I agree with everything Tim wrote.
Looks like someone seriously lacks balls either to apologize or to take the bet.
In the game of being a coward AlexKP really deserve the GTO award.
And kudos to those supporting him, looks like the fanboys aren't Joeys' one and/or that for some reason you guys can't think straight.

It seems more like it all kicked off because Joey has had a weird obsession with Alex for a long time and has often talked about him negatively on his podcasts, then Alex makes 1 comment back a couple of days ago when a viewer specifically asked him about Joey, and then Joey gets his vagina full of sand and proposes a bet he knows is unlikely to happen due to him living in the US.

Also it's funny how Joey is always talking about receipts, yet Alex is the only one of them who has ever shown any kind of evidence for being a winning player. Right now all we have on Joey is an 800k hand sample he posted in a prop bet thread where he is -2EVbb/100 with most of the volume at 2/4 or lower. Show some receipts bro!

I think both guys are awesome and both have great streams/podcasts, but Joey's obsession with Alex seems really weird and quite immature.

teh teh teh. So nobody can touch joey because he will challenge you to play zillion hands? i would understand huplo but not some zoes volume specialtys.

I talk about almost everyone that plays PLO on my podcasts. The bet would 100 percent happen, It takes 1.5 hours to fly out of the country, lol me being in the land of the free doesn't matter. This is a profit prop bet that your odds of winning improve the more volume you play. Not a volume prop bet like some people keep suggesting it is. You want someone who is a losing player to play as many hands as they can to lose as much as they can I thought.



I had stars email all my hands last night. This is the last year 2012 I played on Pokerstars. It is playing well/running well, started raging 4 days a week, lose a bunch, continue raging a bit less while trying to focus again on poker and make back 300k overnight at 2/4 (never a good mindset to be in). I'm sure many people would not mind having a losing year like this. Does this graph mean I am a winning player, who knows. Does it mean I ran well and won than lost a bunch back so that means I must be bad, maybe. It looks like drugs/poker are not ideal Does it mean I lost money that year?? Not at all





In terms of actual receipts instead of made up things and in regards that I might cheat. I randomly decided to do a play money prop bet a few months ago and bet 17k in less than 10 minutes. This would have been the easiest prop bet to cheat at in the history of prop bets but I didn't. I lost the bet and paid out right away. I've done multiple other prop bets very publicly on the forums where I didn't cheat at. I've won a few of them and lost a few. I don't mind losing a prop bet, I enjoy the challenge.

If me talking about someone on my streams = has an obsession with them than I am obsessed with alexo18 and his parents to a scary degree.

^^^^
Why not make a REAL profit propbet and bet on x amount of hands in x amount of time on 5-10+, you can even measure it in evbb/100. That would really show who the endboss is imo

I can understand Alex not accepting a propbet under the current set conditions(playing vs a volume maniac at a lower stake then usual in a limited timeframe). The current propbet conditions is more something that suits a player like yaarny or w/e.

Come on, I watched the last 30 or so minutes of this stream and some idiots definitely dumped a lot of chips to you. IIRC, you went from 1.5m to 10m within 15 minutes or so, most of it thanks to guys who reraised you for 99 % of your stack and folded. It´s true that you were not the guy who orchestrated the cheating, but I would have felt cheated if you had won the bet and I had been on the other side - again, not cheated by you, but still cheated.

I would never do some bet on evbb/100 as I haven't looked into it enough to figure out how I should be adjusting the way I would have to play in different situations to take advantage of that. This isn't about being an endboss, I think we both know we aren't I think a profit prop bet at 2/5 zoom is more than a real profit bet. If we did it at only 10/20 zoom I don't think Alex ever would and the possibility of losing 150k in a month would be very possible which I doubt either of us would want. At reg tables it becomes who has the most effective seat script so I don't think that would work.

He is saying I am a losing player, it doesn't matter how much volume a losing player can play, he is still not going to win money. I know there is a 0 percent chance he is going to at this point.

If Yaaarny is up for it, I am in


If i was going to cheat, I would have done it 8 hours in, not at the end. Some people trying to go out of there way to do something like that has nothing to do with me. The likelyhood going into it was very possible as it would have been easy for anyone to do so. It was a risk you took as a bettor in that spot. That will always be present in any bet that is similar, your hope going into it is that the person doing it would not be apart of it.

I just disagree, a real profit propbet would be measured by bb/100 or evbb/100 over x amount of hands on specific stakes in a specific realistic timeframe.

The way you are setting up this propbet is just a massive volume/winnings propbet.

Just out of curiosity, but adjusting your play to get a higher evbb/100 is the right to do right? i don't really get that statement, can somebody clear that up for me? if your evbb/100 goes up in the longrun, your bb/100 goes up and your winnings go up... can you show an example what you mean exactly?

You can propose that prop bet with you and someone else if you want. A real profit prop bet to me is who makes the most profit. You are suggesting a winrate prop bet

I'm not interested in a bb/100 bet over 150k hands in 4 months

I've never thought about your last sentence at all before you said it so I have no examples

Im not professional prop bettor like you joey - I WISH then i would troll the **** out of everybody

Just to understand this right.

Joey didnt play on stars since 2012?
Where is he playing than?

Can we please have this thread locked?

What a disgrace you are, VaginaKP...

Just do the bet after alex is done with his streaming bet.

I smiled .

fyp

If anyone else would like me to edit their 2p2 posts for them, lmk, my rates are very reasonable

Seriously tho, your original post was filled w/ a lot of mean-spirited comments about Joe, but none of the stuff you wrote was a good reason about why you wouldn't want to do the bet. I guess since you knew you weren't going to take the bet, you wanted to try your best to make Joe look bad while you were backing down.

Both of you would be escrowing, so there is 0 chance of anything shady happening there.

Chip dumping and acct sharing would be possible in a bet like this, but those would both be very difficult to pull off, and I'm sure Joe would agree to any stipulations put in place to make sure neither of those things happen. Also, Joe has made a number of prop bets, and there was never any indication he did anything unethical in any of them.

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