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Old 05-03-2017, 10:31 AM   #1
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Live game, AA turned nut FD (550bb)

5-5 game

utg+1 raises to 20
2 callers
Hero - Button - raise to 120 (2800$ every one covers)

everyone calls 4 players

*Hero - AAQ5hh (ace suited)*

Flop Qs 6d 3h - Pot ~$480

Utg +1(original opener) leads for 400

All fold to me, I call

Turn Jh -Pot ~$1280 pick up FD

Utg+1 leads for 1k.

Hero ? 2300ish remaining stack.

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none really. some kid - dont think professional, sitting really deep. my image is very tight, so he probably puts me on aces.

I have the Q blocker to top set and QJ. so im very confused here. unless he has a random 66 or 33 which is very unlikely. i cant see how im beat. If i call, i dont see what rivers i can safely fold with only 1k remaining. its basically a ~450 bb decision here without many reads and likely wont be crushing him with whatever combo draw he shows up with in best case(the bets were fairly quick, dont think its a stone cold bluff lead into 3 players, so no fold equity on a shove) If i knew this person was capable of bluffing or playing draws aggressively i perhaps would lean towards calling/shoving, but given no history i lean towards a fold. what do you think?
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Old 05-03-2017, 02:14 PM   #2
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Re: Live game, AA turned nut FD (550bb)

If you don't think he is semibluffing i dont see the point of calling the flop.
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Old 05-05-2017, 02:21 AM   #3
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Re: Live game, AA turned nut FD (550bb)

Fold flop, fold turn..
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Old 05-05-2017, 09:28 AM   #4
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Re: Live game, AA turned nut FD (550bb)

if your folding this flop arent we folding just about every non Ace flop then if lead into?
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Old 05-05-2017, 11:54 AM   #5
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Re: Live game, AA turned nut FD (550bb)

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if your folding this flop arent we folding just about every non Ace flop then if lead into?
Do you have AAQJ or AAQ5? It's pretty tough to lead into multiple people in a 3 bet pot without some solid equity, your hand is just going to be really tough to continue with even when you hit an A because he might fold out all of his hands with little to no equity and continue with his wraps or fd. He has the betting lead and you guys are super deep so your going to have to go into the thinking tank and really figure out if he has a low rundown or hit a 2 pair with a dangling Q ie AKQ3. His range is pretty narrow here because of the texture so figuring that out should make it easy to figure your equity against him. As played if we do have QJ and nfd i'm putting it in on the turn because we can't fold most rivers as is. If we have nfd and AA its pretty close and depends on how good the game is and how much gamble we have.
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Old 05-05-2017, 05:13 PM   #6
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Re: Live game, AA turned nut FD (550bb)

Call turn, jam river if you improve to top set or flush, fold river otherwise.
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Old 05-05-2017, 05:48 PM   #7
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Re: Live game, AA turned nut FD (550bb)

Fold flop, btw you don't understand blockers and probably shouldn't SQ pre if your image is "really tight" and you aren't willing to let AA go postflop in bad scenarios, which based on your flop call is the case.
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Old 05-06-2017, 06:15 PM   #8
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Re: Live game, AA turned nut FD (550bb)

I would expect to have to make your flush hand so if that is ok load it all in and get ready to rebuy, but otherwise maybe you missed your AA hand and should have not called and got up with that last suit.
A good default read when you have none is a large bet is a large hand.
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:41 AM   #9
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Fold flop, btw you don't understand blockers and probably shouldn't SQ pre if your image is "really tight" and you aren't willing to let AA go postflop in bad scenarios, which based on your flop call is the case.
can you explain blockers then? i wasnt sure so this is a bad postflop scenario. there is only 1 possible combo of QQ left in the deck, not many combos of 33 and 66 hes raising UTG.

giving him this range on the turn

qq**,jj**,qj**,6345,4567

im 29.44% id say he coudl also have q9tX types hands too. maybe with hearts. which would put me over enough equity to call on the turn. but either way im not quite sure why you say this is a fold on the flop. there cant be that many combos of hands im losing to.
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Old 05-07-2017, 07:39 PM   #10
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If you don't think he is semibluffing i dont see the point of calling the flop.
yeah i guess thats true. so if i call flop go with it on the turn giving him the same range of 456 hands and q9tx stuff? i dont see what im really losing to on flop so i called. i have 1 queen, and 66 33 are very unlikely.
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:20 PM   #11
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Re: Live game, AA turned nut FD (550bb)

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Fold flop, fold turn..
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Call turn, jam river if you improve to top set or flush, fold river otherwise.
Don't do this.

Also; 5/5 game with no straddle and the shortest stack is $2.8k?!
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Old 05-08-2017, 12:36 AM   #12
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Don't do this.

Also; 5/5 game with no straddle and the shortest stack is $2.8k?!
why fold flop? not losing to many combos here
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Old 05-16-2017, 02:15 AM   #13
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why fold flop? not losing to many combos here
Most people are rarely donking out there.
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Old 05-16-2017, 03:17 PM   #14
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Re: Live game, AA turned nut FD (550bb)

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Call turn, jam river if you improve to top set or flush, fold river otherwise.
Fold flop

As played that.

You have 27,5%. You dont have odds in the turn 27.5% of 3200 is 880.

He can have your flush outs, but he can have two pair hands.

But you probably Will double up if you Hit. That makes a call

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Old 05-16-2017, 03:43 PM   #15
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Re: Live game, AA turned nut FD (550bb)

1280 in the pot. Hero has 2300 and faces a bet of 1000. Pot gets 2280 to 1k. 3280 and hero has 1.3k. Live Vilain is comitted. So hero pays 1k to win 3580. To simplify 1 of 4.5 is 22% and hero has 27,5% (11of40 cards). So you must be at least break even. If you miss or Hit and not get paid with 11 outs you lose 100 Bucks. If you call with 11 outs and get paid you win 237 Bucks.

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