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11-02-2011 , 12:49 PM

dj32

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I'm new to PLO. In a 6 handed 5/5 game I called a $15 Mississippi straddle in the BB with 991010 double suited after the SB called as well. The next player (by far the most experienced and best PLO player in the game) raised to $50 and then the HJ raised the pot. It folded back to me.

I started the hand with $1170, the HJ started with ~$600 and the rest have me covered.

Questions:

1) Should I have raised preflop the first time?

2) As played, do I call, fold, or raise the pot/get it in?

Last edited by dj32; 11-02-2011 at 12:54 PM.

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11-02-2011 , 01:21 PM

Lee Jones

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I was interested to see that you're "only" about 4:3 dog against aces:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
tsth9s9h	43.36%	260,018	331
aa**	56.64%	339,651	331

You can also be in great shape three ways:

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600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
tsth9s9h	40.26%	241,440	284
aa**	38.99%	232,175	3,501
acjqkc	20.75%	122,884	3,217

I don't think folding can be terribly wrong. Shoving seems pretty good if you think that HJ was re-stealing from the tough player. You might get toughie to fold and be HU against a worse hand with some dead money in the middle:

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17,376,128 trials (Exhaustive)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
tsth9s9h	52.76%	9,166,845	0
acjqkc	47.24%	8,209,283	0

Calling seems like the worst option of the bunch.

Regards, Lee

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11-02-2011 , 02:27 PM

dj32

grinder

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Thanks Lee - this is really helpful. I folded, but the fact that my hand was double suited and connected made me really question it. HJ had aces, which is what I assumed, and got it all in against the other player and won .

At least I didn't just call.

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11-02-2011 , 02:33 PM

ChuckBass

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Don't think i'd ever fold 99TTds pre.

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11-02-2011 , 02:51 PM

MauriceSch

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Shoving seems stupid, obviously I don't fold such a pretty hand, so I guess I call.

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Originally Posted by Lee Jones

Calling seems like the worst option of the bunch.

I DON'T CARE LOOK HOW PRETTY

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11-02-2011 , 02:56 PM

acehole60

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Originally Posted by Lee Jones

Calling seems like the worst option of the bunch.

Hand plays good multiway, even if we get all in. I call.

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11-02-2011 , 03:08 PM

krmont22

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easy call. shove is bad bc you want as many players in pot as possible

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11-02-2011 , 03:29 PM

pkrtxs

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Ya def call. And then call again and keep calling. Want to keep it 3 ways for sure

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11-02-2011 , 03:38 PM

Music Studio Fund

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i like calling with these hands because you will get it in post flop hopefully crushing or with tons of outs like a str8 draw with set outs or flush draw (may or may not be good) with set outs and if there's a flush draw on board when you hit your set then you might have some of their outs as well, hope that helps.

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11-02-2011 , 09:03 PM

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Lee Jones

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Everybody likes calling except me, so there's a fair chance I'm grossly wrong. But if HJ doesn't have a pair higher than TT, we're beating him, and dead money from the tough player is always nice.

If we shove and toughie shoves behind us, well, that's fine too. But I think it's worth seeing if we can get the pot HU between us and HJ.

Regards, Lee

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11-02-2011 , 11:57 PM

#11

iggymcfly

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Originally Posted by Lee Jones

There's no such thing as "restealing" in PLO, especially in a live game. Given stack sizes, HJ has AA/KK/3 broadways the vast majority of the time, and we're behind all those hands in a HU situation. 3-ways we're going to be in great shape. Easy, easy call.

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11-03-2011 , 01:24 AM

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LiveActionPro

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You have a much better chance of doubling up if you just call pre, when you hit your flop, you want more people involved in hopes of them getting a piece to call your all in.

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11-03-2011 , 01:31 AM

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ukfan1687

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You should have raised preflop instead of limping.

Don't fold preflop as played.

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11-03-2011 , 06:16 AM

#14

uphigh_downlow

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I can support coming in with a raise as well as folding as played.

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11-03-2011 , 07:46 AM

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Loctus

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Not playing PLO to fold TT99ds pre..

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11-08-2011 , 10:52 AM

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Zeestein

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not waiting another 3 months for a hand this pretty

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11-08-2011 , 03:33 PM

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JackWraith

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i think you should have raised the first time around since the sb completed which in MS-straddled hands is kinda fishy or strong, at least strong enough to call your raise.

plus its cheaper then complete and call a raise.

if you get reraised and shipped on ... well .... i think i would just stick it in for only a 1k in a 5/5/15 game.

as played. i call ... in for a dollar in for a dime. pretty obv ... spr is low enough and we flop well enough often enough to go broke with enough equity

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11-08-2011 , 05:48 PM

#18

grizy

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I'd have raised the first time and then called.

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11-09-2011 , 11:51 AM

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vandy

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say we do call and flop is AK9r, AQTr, are we getting it in every time? im sure these are simple spots that always confuse me. i feel like i always have to go with it but feel so gross about it

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11-09-2011 , 12:35 PM

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NeverScaredB

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Originally Posted by vandy

say we do call and flop is AK9r, AQTr, are we getting it in every time? im sure these are simple spots that always confuse me. i feel like i always have to go with it but feel so gross about it

No. I probably almost always call flop and something something something, but in some games it's a clear fold.

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11-10-2011 , 06:30 AM

#21

PlayMeHU

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seeing this 5/5 and 2/2 mentioned can someone tell me what 5/5 means Live game ?

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11-10-2011 , 06:56 AM

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JackWraith

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means the "small" blind is the same as the "big blind".

mostly done to keep as few different chip denominations on the table as possible.

with the 5/5 for example, you basically only need 5s and 100s.

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11-10-2011 , 07:06 AM

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PlayMeHU

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