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02-19-2017 , 02:46 AM

2249997

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 440

V1(UTG) 1k: thinking player, just doubled up
V2 (CO) 270: first time playing with him, plays fairly face up
V3 (BTN) 545: hold'em player, over values hold'em type hands
Hero (SB) covers everyone

V2 straddles to 15, BTN makes it 40, Hero calls with AdJd Kc4s, 4 others call.

FLOP(240): AcQcTh

I check, BB checks, UTG pauses a long time and checks, 1 check, CO shoves for 230, BTN immediatrly shoves 505. UTG looks very interested. Hero??

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02-19-2017 , 06:00 AM

monikrazy

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 28,046

All in, your not deep enough to think about folding here, you also have tiny chance of redrawing to boat/quads

5/5 doesn't really qualify as high stakes either imo

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02-20-2017 , 02:34 AM

AveeMaria

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,714

Default is to jam. What's your reasoning (other than seemingly having lost the hand to KJ with a redraw) for doing anything else?

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02-20-2017 , 06:36 AM

White Rook

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 321

Fold is ok with read of the 200bb utg.

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02-20-2017 , 04:17 PM

PositiveEV

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 456

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

All in, your not deep enough to think about folding here, you also have tiny chance of redrawing to boat/quads

5/5 doesn't really qualify as high stakes either imo

At how many bb's would you say is deep enough to think about folding due to the freeroll?.

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02-20-2017 , 08:59 PM

lvanhoe

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,383

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Originally Posted by White Rook

Fold is ok with read of the 200bb utg.

Given that 2 players are all in already, don't you think most of the flush outs are blocked?

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02-20-2017 , 09:43 PM

cabbagehead

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Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 36

At this point the Stack to Pot Ratio is 1:1 and unlikely for V1 UTG to cold call or barrel particularly if you jam, but.... You are definitely playing for half the pot and up against redraw .... I would consider flatting hoping to get UTG to come along with a weaker hand and jam on the turn if the board blanks .......

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02-20-2017 , 10:40 PM

monikrazy

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Originally Posted by PositiveEV

At how many bb's would you say is deep enough to think about folding due to the freeroll?.

We have a pair of aces and kc, maybe we can start thinking about it when everyone is 250bb+

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02-20-2017 , 11:49 PM

flyingnite

adept

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 734

Not sure we want UTG to fold here, calling seems better than all-in.

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02-21-2017 , 03:30 AM

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SeaKing

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 5,387

3bet pre

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02-21-2017 , 05:45 AM

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BigAisaOK

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,466

This is what 2p2 HS has become. Solid.

I think we have an easy shove here.

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02-21-2017 , 08:51 AM

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White Rook

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Originally Posted by lvanhoe

Given that 2 players are all in already, don't you think most of the flush outs are blocked?

What do you mean?

I think given read that utg have at least a ST8 or a (flushdraw+set or two pair), so for me is a fold because we have little invested.

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