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08-03-2017 , 05:49 AM
Hi,

This hand takes place in an Austrian casino. Blinds are 5-10 but there is a 20 straddle on the button.

I'm in SB and opens K10J7 to 60. The BB flats and UTG+1 makes it 240 (the game hasn't been too wild, I put him on aces almost always). UTG+ 3 cold calls (he would be the fish of the table so far, stacking off quite light). Back to me, I call and so does the BB. The pot is roughly 1K and we all have 2K left except the BB who has 1K.

Flop comes KJ10.

How do you play it?
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08-03-2017 , 08:40 AM
I don't like your SB open, or you flatting the 3b. Why? In multi-way pots, you're getting dominated by larger flush draws and better wraps. As played on the flop, you have three pair, 2nd NFD, backdoor flush draw, with an SPR of 2. You have no choice but to pot here. You're getting called by at least 1 player most of the time, and you might even have the best of it.

This is one of the best flops for your hands, and you're questioning what to do on the flop. See now why the hand is bad to open first to act?

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08-03-2017 , 10:33 AM
Not a god damn thing wrong with his open or calling the 3b. That hand has a ton of equity against AAxx hands which he is putting V on. That flop is gin. Check/Pot
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08-03-2017 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by HairyLobster
Not a god damn thing wrong with his open or calling the 3b. That hand has a ton of equity against AAxx hands which he is putting V on. That flop is gin. Check/Pot
Cept it's not heads up

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08-03-2017 , 12:09 PM
Bet/call flop, fold pre (if full ring)

Your hand is playable but having to act 1st because of a btn straddle it loses a lot of value, hero wants to play extremely disciplined here and this hand has flaws

If hero does play this hand I prefer calling instead of raising
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08-03-2017 , 12:28 PM
I don't like the open. SB in a button straddle game should be a super tight opening range.

As played Pot/call it off. I wouldn't risk trying to x/r.
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08-04-2017 , 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by VerdantDevil
I don't like your SB open, or you flatting the 3b. Why? In multi-way pots, you're getting dominated by larger flush draws and better wraps. As played on the flop, you have three pair, 2nd NFD, backdoor flush draw, with an SPR of 2. You have no choice but to pot here. You're getting called by at least 1 player most of the time, and you might even have the best of it.
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08-04-2017 , 12:35 PM
If this isnt a hand we can open from the SB to a btn straddle, then we may as well fold without looking at our cards
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08-04-2017 , 12:53 PM
God I love PLO

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08-04-2017 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JB Clark
If this isnt a hand we can open from the SB to a btn straddle, then we may as well fold without looking at our cards
What % of hands do you think we should be opening in the sb first to act at a full table? I'd probably aim for around 10% with a premium on nuttiness, but that could be too tight.
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08-04-2017 , 11:04 PM
pf, eh, it's live, no one folds this live. flop, you want the money in now. pot/call
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08-09-2017 , 07:39 AM
In tough games it's s mistake to open pre from the SB. In weaker games you need to open up your raising range wider from oop to balance your range, which is massively +EV when you flop gin and villains don't believe you.
I'm fine opening this hand but would play it snug postflop. AP I'm potting and hoping I'm not up against AdXdQX


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08-10-2017 , 11:53 AM
I ended up betting the pot, the shortest stack folded, the preflop raiser went all in with aces and the nuts fd and the other guy had top set! But reading your answers, I played it well (at least post flop) so it's all good.
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08-18-2017 , 02:43 AM
^ posting a hand without including pf data is not a good idea. When you start the action with you opening the SB, opening seems fine because the assumption is the table has folded to you. But what seems to have happened is you have at least a couple of limpers before the action gets to you and you've not acknowledged that chronologically, which has added to the confusion.

The short of it is, post better hand histories. And don't open pre.
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08-21-2017 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by AveeMaria
^ posting a hand without including pf data is not a good idea. When you start the action with you opening the SB, opening seems fine because the assumption is the table has folded to you. But what seems to have happened is you have at least a couple of limpers before the action gets to you and you've not acknowledged that chronologically, which has added to the confusion.

The short of it is, post better hand histories. And don't open pre.
Except this is a BTN straddle game, meaning SB is the first to act preflop (BTN straddle games are weird like that).
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