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02-08-2017 , 04:27 PM
Anon site, villain has seemed reggish over 25 hands.





[converted_hand][hand_history]IPoker, $5/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37632696

BB: $1,000 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $1,782.27 (178.2 bb)
BTN: $995 (99.5 bb)
SB: $1,003 (100.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7 J 3 J
Hero raises to $35?, BTN folds, SB calls $30, BB calls $25

Flop: ($105) 5 3 T (3 players)
SB bets $78.62, BB folds, Hero calls $78.62?

Turn: ($262.24) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $170.78, Hero calls $170.78?

River: ($603.80) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $502.36, Hero folds?
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02-09-2017 , 09:55 AM
What's his range PF?
What's his range on the flop? (donk 3-way)
etc.
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02-09-2017 , 01:24 PM
I'm just operating on the assumption that he's probably a regular after 24 hands.

Preflop: like 30%, anything with a high suit, PP>66, 2 smooth rundown and a gap sorta stuff

Donking range: way different for every player but I'm assuming sets, T5,53, 64+pair, T+backdoor sort of things, and like naked AA-QQ with overcard backdoors

Turn: bad barrelling card, probably discount 64, naked T's that didn't pick up a fd

River: pretty much polarized to boats and like T5, T8 turned into bluff or the rare AA picked up nut flush (that didn't 3b pre)
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02-09-2017 , 07:08 PM
As played I probably just let it go 75% of the time... Good river bet.
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02-09-2017 , 07:11 PM
65-75% of time... tough spot though
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02-09-2017 , 09:39 PM
You post all these random spots vs random people on which you are randomly readless as it's randomly anon and you randomly expect random people to post anything useful?

That's pretty random. Just try to use some solvers, give people ranges etc.
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02-09-2017 , 09:50 PM
I think it's definitely useful and disagree with you.
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02-09-2017 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Spades47
I think it's definitely useful and disagree with you.
So that means you assume you are providing the OP with useful info?

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02-10-2017 , 10:44 AM
We're block boats and I doubt he value bets flushes so pretty sure this has to be in our call down range
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02-10-2017 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lvanhoe
So that means you assume you are providing the OP with useful info?

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He's giving his reads on players for the most part and not all but most of his hands are thought provoking for me at least. Why don't you give your thoughts on some hands... and stop complaining like a scared to offer his advice lil b***h. WinK. 8)
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02-10-2017 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by smoothcriminal99
We're block boats and I doubt he value bets flushes so pretty sure this has to be in our call down range
we dont really block the relevant part of the boat so idk what you mean here.

his leading range is going to be mostly sets. yes there are combos of t5xx that will three street us on this board texture but not enough to justify calling river imo. op, well played i think and river is indeed a fold.
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02-12-2017 , 01:38 PM
If he really is that set heavy is it just too weak to fold flop?
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02-14-2017 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by NewNewBurnsabre
If he really is that set heavy is it just too weak to fold flop?
unless you have some kind of specific read on villain overleading flop here it is not too weak to fold flop. a lot of tag players will just b/b/b when they flop a set on this board texture because when they cr this type of flop you never have anything to continue with. i believe you will show better results long term just folding here 100bb deep.
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02-15-2017 , 02:58 PM
Blinds are bad? Why we are playing this preflop?
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02-15-2017 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lvanhoe
You post all these random spots vs random people on which you are randomly readless as it's randomly anon and you randomly expect random people to post anything useful?

That's pretty random. Just try to use some solvers, give people ranges etc.
i think there are a lot of people playing anon sites and also anonymous hh's are helpful in creating a well balanced overall strategy.
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02-15-2017 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by look at me now
i think there are a lot of people playing anon sites and also anonymous hh's are helpful in creating a well balanced overall strategy.
As true as that may be, if it's anon and you have no stats or reads on someone, it becomes a simple matter of constructing what you percieve to be GTO ranges and all the rest is just pretty blahblahblah. You need information to give advice and in all the spots OP posts the only information is his own hand and the board texture.
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02-15-2017 , 08:20 PM
Ivanhoe, fwiw and with all due respect...

I post hands that I flag during my sessions and that aren't immediately apparent as what to do when I revisit them. If these spots seem standard, well then I guess I'm asking the question of "what is the standard line here?". I haven't played a lot of plo so spots aren't readily apparent to me.

As far as your "do math answer and come up with the gto response", well, I haven't played a lot with pokerjuice, hell I'm still learning PPT syntax. It's not a quick and easy thing for me. And then if you take GTO to mean what it actually does mean instead of what I believe you think it means, these spots are still incredibly incredibly complex to solve. My only experience with solving is from HUHU limit holdem, and one common flop spot range vs range will take a good few hours to come up with a decent approximation of the actual solution.

Also, considering I am the only one in here actually posting hands from online play I guess you should also thank me to have something to rip apart.

However, you are obviously a very good plo player so yes, I value your advice. Just try not to be so harsh to newbies like me please. Thanks.
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02-15-2017 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by NewNewBurnsabre
Ivanhoe, fwiw and with all due respect...

I post hands that I flag during my sessions and that aren't immediately apparent as what to do when I revisit them. If these spots seem standard, well then I guess I'm asking the question of "what is the standard line here?". I haven't played a lot of plo so spots aren't readily apparent to me.

As far as your "do math answer and come up with the gto response", well, I haven't played a lot with pokerjuice, hell I'm still learning PPT syntax. It's not a quick and easy thing for me. And then if you take GTO to mean what it actually does mean instead of what I believe you think it means, these spots are still incredibly incredibly complex to solve. My only experience with solving is from HUHU limit holdem, and one common flop spot range vs range will take a good few hours to come up with a decent approximation of the actual solution.

Also, considering I am the only one in here actually posting hands from online play I guess you should also thank me to have something to rip apart.

However, you are obviously a very good plo player so yes, I value your advice. Just try not to be so harsh to newbies like me please. Thanks.
I'm in no way trying to rip on you and I'm in no way saying that you shouldn't post hands. And I'm not even saying these spots are standard.

What I would just like you to understand is that you will gain absolutely NOTHING from this. All you are getting is random opinions based on a complete absence of relevant information, as there IS no information available other than your own hand and a certain board texture.

Given that absence of information, all you can do is construct ranges and see how well your hand does against that range. And I think you would be far better off doing some actual work on a hand, and THEN post your thoughts, as opposed to just copy-pasting a hh.

So try to spend an hour or so on one or two hands you struggled with after your session, construct some ranges, THEN post your thought proces on here, and you might get some replies about the ranges you constructed that might actually teach you something.

Or, way more likely, that kind of information and analysis isnīt done on public fora anymore and you are even better off just getting a coach.

Anyway best of luck, I wonīt hassle you anymore
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02-15-2017 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by lvanhoe
As true as that may be, if it's anon and you have no stats or reads on someone, it becomes a simple matter of constructing what you percieve to be GTO ranges and all the rest is just pretty blahblahblah. You need information to give advice and in all the spots OP posts the only information is his own hand and the board texture.
you're proving my point for me. op has no more information than we do about villain's range therefore our guess is as good as his regarding villain's range. those of us with experience in accurately ranging opponents can weigh in if we so choose.
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02-15-2017 , 09:38 PM
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Turn: bad barrelling card, probably discount 64, naked T's that didn't pick up a fd
Why on earth would you think the 3 is a bad card for him to barrel?
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02-16-2017 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by lvanhoe
I'm in no way trying to rip on you and I'm in no way saying that you shouldn't post hands. And I'm not even saying these spots are standard.

What I would just like you to understand is that you will gain absolutely NOTHING from this. All you are getting is random opinions based on a complete absence of relevant information, as there IS no information available other than your own hand and a certain board texture.

Given that absence of information, all you can do is construct ranges and see how well your hand does against that range. And I think you would be far better off doing some actual work on a hand, and THEN post your thoughts, as opposed to just copy-pasting a hh.

So try to spend an hour or so on one or two hands you struggled with after your session, construct some ranges, THEN post your thought proces on here, and you might get some replies about the ranges you constructed that might actually teach you something.

Or, way more likely, that kind of information and analysis isnīt done on public fora anymore and you are even better off just getting a coach.

Anyway best of luck, I wonīt hassle you anymore
+1

Even winning regs have different play styles, a plan that works for one may not work for another.

Two specific examples. Some players will never open your hand in the CO, while its an easy open for others.

Same deal on the turn. Snap raise for some, easy call for others.
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02-21-2017 , 06:10 AM
Think play is fine/borderline standard. I play anon sites a lot too and I think that by river Villain has bluff close to 0%.

Pre flop I think is probably a little too loose unless btn is incredibly tight or game is incredibly soft.

I think flop is a tight fold. Yes we're doing well against one part of his range but we're doing incredibly poorly against many other parts of his range. Hand isn't nutted and we have 2 clean outs to incredibly easy turn decisions.

So yeah as played think it's fine but would think folding earlier in hand would be better.


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