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Old 03-07-2011, 09:09 PM   #1516
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Re: ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

villains are 2 good regs. This a standard bet/call if we get it in against 1 person? Seems close and I suck figuring this out with math.
$25.00/50.00 Pot limit Omaha Cash Games, 6 Players
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Board:
SB: $5,007
BB: $6,081
UTG: $41,911
UTG+1: $13,257
CO: $12,500
Button: $5,270

Dealt to SB A T 9 K

Pre-flop:
(2 folds), CO raises to $150, Button calls $150, SB raises to $685, (1 folds), CO calls $560, Button calls $560

Flop: ($2,180) 8 Q 9 (3 Players)
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:32 PM   #1517
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Donkey_king, I would think it's close with all your backdoors yes, but I think I may be stacking off too light in 3way 3bet pot these days. So i'm not sure.

Will they stab light if you check? You could get some dead money, protection for your c/f range, and visibility by checking with intention to ship often.
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Old 03-07-2011, 11:16 PM   #1518
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Re: ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

gross spot imo, hate folding that much equity but hate getting it in vs a resonable range even more
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Old 03-08-2011, 05:55 AM   #1519
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Re: ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

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0 history with villian. he's a winning hsnl player. curious if you guys think a bluffraise is good in his shoes against the vast majority of 25/50 regs? Or a raise with a queen high straight so that I fold for the chop?

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Board:
UTG: $996
UTG+1: $10,491
CO: $5,075
Button: $10,983
SB: $1,500
BB: $20,442.50
MP1: $5,000
MP2: $10,173
MP4: $1,000

Dealt to UTG+1 J T A 3

Pre-flop:
(4 folds), UTG+1 raises to $150, (3 folds), BB calls $100

Flop: ($325) Q 9 6 (2 Players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $250, BB calls $250

Turn: ($825) T (2 Players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $822, BB calls $822

River: ($2,469) 8 (2 Players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $1,250, BB raises to $6,216,
river sizing is pretty bad imo, makes it more likely he air balls it and minimizes FE to chops. good hsnl reg will likely recognize the bet for what it is given board texture making it less likely for him to hero, and those nl kids love to do that in 4 card game. would be pretty cool to shove the 2nd nuts here

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villains are 2 good regs. This a standard bet/call if we get it in against 1 person? Seems close and I suck figuring this out with math.
$25.00/50.00 Pot limit Omaha Cash Games, 6 Players
Hand Converter by Pokerhand.org

Board:
SB: $5,007
BB: $6,081
UTG: $41,911
UTG+1: $13,257
CO: $12,500
Button: $5,270

Dealt to SB A T 9 K

Pre-flop:
(2 folds), CO raises to $150, Button calls $150, SB raises to $685, (1 folds), CO calls $560, Button calls $560

Flop: ($2,180) 8 Q 9 (3 Players)
c/f
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:13 AM   #1520
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Re: ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

^^ actually in the akt9 hand i'd b/f we have 27% vs range of jt, q9, sets. jt rundowns will be reduced with btn unless he's a big nit or these is a mongo fish blinds but shouldn't expect him to shove anything on this flop anyway given texture / pos (atleast imo) and we'll have enough good turns to shove if you expect him to float weakish hands.
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Old 03-08-2011, 07:37 AM   #1521
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Re: ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

quick question: whats the avrg fold BB % in a HU match vs regs?
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Old 03-08-2011, 08:00 AM   #1522
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yeah so im bad at plo, utg is new to the table but appears to be a reg, button is a fish
obv have no idea what his range is here, what line seems best?

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BTN: $606.50
SB: $445.30
BB: $161.40
UTG: $564.20
Hero (MP): $1026.20
CO: $235.40

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is MP with T A A 8
UTG raises to $14, Hero raises to $42, 1 fold, BTN calls $42, 2 folds, UTG calls $28

Flop: ($132.00) 9 5 6 (3 players)
UTG bets $129.00
If I had lie KK8T id prefer to jam here or
AA8T without BDFD...

WIth AA8T and two BDFD, I prefer to call and let an airball pick up some dominated equity.

Hes got slightly over a potsized bet left, and I think its more likely ull get a 2 barrel from a hand with poor equity, than a turn c/f with a hand that has equity on the flop.

I vote call, shove turn...
Curious what some accomplished PLO players think about my thought process?
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:25 AM   #1523
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Re: ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

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If I had lie KK8T id prefer to jam here or
AA8T without BDFD...

WIth AA8T and two BDFD, I prefer to call and let an airball pick up some dominated equity.

Hes got slightly over a potsized bet left, and I think its more likely ull get a 2 barrel from a hand with poor equity, than a turn c/f with a hand that has equity on the flop.

I vote call, shove turn...
Seems fine to me if you have good reasons to think he can donk pot/fold flop often enough. Otherwise, just tank/raise pot seems better to me.

But without any info. Given he opens UTG (and dont nail this flop that well usually), i would call and shove turn as well assuming he might have a donk/fold range on this flop.
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:41 AM   #1524
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river sizing is pretty bad imo, makes it more likely he air balls it and minimizes FE to chops. good hsnl reg will likely recognize the bet for what it is given board texture making it less likely for him to hero, and those nl kids love to do that in 4 card game. would be pretty cool to shove the 2nd nuts here


c/f
h1: was thinking same about river but i feel like bigger wont get called by worse often. how much do you make it and whats your plan if he raises?
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Old 03-08-2011, 12:09 PM   #1525
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villain is loose but not brain dead. Co is likely a donkey.
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BB ($280)
UTG ($2,017)
Hero ($2,135)
CO ($1,037)
BTN ($2,361)

Dealt to Hero 5 6 6 5

UTG raises to $30, Hero raises to $105, CO calls $105, fold, fold, [color=red]BB raises to $280 (AI), UTG raises to $1,055, Hero folds?!

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Old 03-08-2011, 12:31 PM   #1526
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easy instafold
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Old 03-08-2011, 12:40 PM   #1527
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Probably a pretty easy fold because you're 200deep, but if you were 100deep with UTG and CO, wouldn't this be a good spot to gamble?

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Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
5s5d6d6c32.28% 193,0251,364
AA**40.16% 239,2663,413
20% ! 5%27.55% 163,4443,762

Seems alright with the odds, nothing really profitable either.

Of course, I don't know if CO will gamble with us, but I'd expect him to with most of his range, right?

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Old 03-08-2011, 01:25 PM   #1528
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villain is loose but not brain dead. Co is likely a donkey.
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SB ($292)
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BTN ($2,361)

Dealt to Hero 5 6 6 5

UTG raises to $30, Hero raises to $105, CO calls $105, fold, fold, [color=red]BB raises to $280 (AI), UTG raises to $1,055, Hero folds?!
how often are you 3betting hands like this in that spot? would you call if you were 100bb effective?
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Old 03-08-2011, 02:48 PM   #1529
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how often are you 3betting hands like this in that spot? would you call if you were 100bb effective?
I would 3b any dble-paired hand here 100% and call this one for 100bb.
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Old 03-09-2011, 10:50 AM   #1530
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BB ($606)
UTG ($388)
Hero ($433)
CO ($400)
BTN ($585)

Dealt to Hero T 8 7 A

fold, Hero raises to $14, CO raises to $48, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $34

FLOP ($102) 8 3 4

Hero checks, CO bets $68

Villain is playing 26/18 over 500 hands. 3betting 18% from CO, but I think this is just because of the small sample size. His overall 3bet is 8%. Folding seems weak, calling gets us to akward turn situations on most turn cards, so this is a shove, right?
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