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10-10-2011 , 11:59 AM
hotmark, id c/c flop/turn and shove river.

live hand, game is 25/25. many limpers, i make it 150 from MP w/ AKQ7cc, CO, BTN and 1 more player calls.

flop A97hh, i cbet 400, 2 folds, BTN calls, turn 4x i pot 1,4k, villain thinks, he says he want fold, he is almost folding, he actually almost folded, but called saying ''ten don't help me bleh.. i want fold, but i just can't. i have tons of cards, i can't fold''.

the way he acted on turn, imo his range has lots of str8 wraps, like JT8, maybe 865x. villain is a 5/10 player who move up today to chases his loses. but he is winning on 25/25, he is playing his Agame atm, which doesn't means he is playing well.

imo w str8 draw and hearts he would call faster on turn. my plan is c/c hearts (c/f stupid hearts like 6h, Jh) and c/f cards that bring str8s. how is my plan?

river is black JACK, i check, he bets 1,5k into 4,2k pot. (he had 2,5k stack, idk why he didn't shove).

i c/folded and he showed Q865hh. PLZ SOMEONE HELP ME W THIS HAND! should i c/c river? i felt like a chicken folding and someone showing a bluff
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10-10-2011 , 03:08 PM
I think you gotta call there given those odds. The reason he didnt shove is obv, he is scared. Like you said he normally plays 5/10 and now he is winning in 25/25 so he doesnt want to lose everything with no possibility of winning it back. A pretty big tell actually which should make you lean even more to a call.
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10-10-2011 , 08:31 PM
This might be very basic but I have been thinking about this spot and I don't know how to proceed best.

Villain is a good reg. I think his range hits this board very often. We don't have much immediate fold equity and he won't often fold better. I also think a lot of turns become hard to play when we bet. What's the best line? c/c or lead? And if lead, do we barrel bricks?


    Poker Stars, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10801712

    BTN: $780.70 (195.2 bb)
    SB: $414 (103.5 bb)
    BB: $400 (100 bb)
    Hero (MP): $406 (101.5 bb)
    CO: $1,630.20 (407.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with Q 9 A 8
    Hero raises to $12, CO folds, BTN calls $12, 2 folds

    Flop: ($30) 7 T 9 (2 players)
    Hero ???



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    10-10-2011 , 08:36 PM
    b/f
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    10-10-2011 , 09:47 PM
    yeah in theory I kinda like having a c/c range there but in practice I have found it so hard to balance
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    10-10-2011 , 09:48 PM
    c/c continuation is almost playing ur hand face up
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    10-10-2011 , 09:49 PM
    yae easy b/f on flop. There arent that many bricks out there but I guess we barrel those that there are as well as a lot of other cards.
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    10-10-2011 , 10:36 PM
    I agree that we should should fold if we bet and he raises (somewhat big). I do also think, though, that we get flatted a lot more than raised, and we thus have to think ahead and try to figure out how the hand will play out.

    I believe it depends a lot on villains range, our own range and how these ranges/the hand will play out on various turns. My head is spinning from trying to figure it out.
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    10-10-2011 , 11:40 PM
    just bet and re-avalue
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    10-12-2011 , 04:01 PM
    Is this a 3b pre (25% range for original raiser)? Should I fold to the 4bet? 4bettor is tight and always has KKA or AA or maybe AKQJds

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    PL Omaha $6(BB) Poker Stars
    SB ($2,417)
    BB ($600)
    UTG ($3,438)
    UTG+1 ($1,539)
    CO ($1,367)
    Hero ($632)

    UTG antes $1.20
    UTG+1 antes $1.20
    CO antes $1.20
    Hero antes $1.20
    SB antes $1.20
    BB antes $1.20

    Dealt to Hero A T Q 9

    fold, UTG+1 raises to $24, CO calls $24, Hero raises to $112, SB raises to $397, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $285





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    SB ($3,432)
    BB ($1,569)
    UTG ($1,162)
    Hero ($600)
    BTN ($2,444)

    SB antes $1.20
    BB antes $1.20
    UTG antes $1.20
    Hero antes $1.20
    BTN antes $1.20

    Dealt to Hero K 8 K A

    UTG raises to $18, Hero raises to $69, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $51

    FLOP ($153) 5 J 7

    UTG checks, Hero bets $90, UTG raises to $421, Hero folds

    UTG wins $331
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    10-12-2011 , 05:31 PM
    i think the 3b is meh given positions. just depends on how light hes opening really. id be folding to the 4b though


    seems close. very few sets in his range just gonne be up against pr+straight draw/wrap type hands a lot. get stoving
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    10-12-2011 , 06:08 PM
    Pretty meh hand, but lately i feel like ive struggled a lot on paired boards. Villain is decent reg but i dont know much about his game. Is here anything else to do than b/f? Villains turn agg is 2.9 and raise cb on regular pots is only 7%.

    Only saw this after the hand but his bet ip vs missed cb is 80% out of 5 cases on turn and 71% on flop so I probably should have just check called even though hes going to play pretty well on most rivers? Im pretty torn on what part of our range I should bluffcatch, b/c or b/r

    $5/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
    4 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    CO ($2,712.50)
    BTN ($667)
    Hero (SB) ($4,326)
    BB ($909.10)

    Pre-Flop: ($15, 4 players) Hero is SB A 3 9 Q
    2 folds, Hero raises to $30, BB calls $20

    Flop: 4 7 9 ($60, 2 players)
    Hero bets $45, BB calls $45

    Turn: 4 ($150, 2 players)
    Hero bets $110, BB raises to $310, Hero ?
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    10-12-2011 , 07:18 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Phazm
    Pretty meh hand, but lately i feel like ive struggled a lot on paired boards. Villain is decent reg but i dont know much about his game. Is here anything else to do than b/f? Villains turn agg is 2.9 and raise cb on regular pots is only 7%.

    Only saw this after the hand but his bet ip vs missed cb is 80% out of 5 cases on turn and 71% on flop so I probably should have just check called even though hes going to play pretty well on most rivers? Im pretty torn on what part of our range I should bluffcatch, b/c or b/r

    $5/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
    4 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    CO ($2,712.50)
    BTN ($667)
    Hero (SB) ($4,326)
    BB ($909.10)

    Pre-Flop: ($15, 4 players) Hero is SB A 3 9 Q
    2 folds, Hero raises to $30, BB calls $20

    Flop: 4 7 9 ($60, 2 players)
    Hero bets $45, BB calls $45

    Turn: 4 ($150, 2 players)
    Hero bets $110, BB raises to $310, Hero ?
    I guess this is a spot where u are just like "really". The board doesnt really seem like that wet of a board to me, but the fact that he's IP, and your equity is pretty meh on most rivers i'd say just fold. One thing i'd say about your turn bet is that i am not a fan of the sizing, i'd go for a b/f and make it not so big.

    your flush isnt great, and your gutter is no good. I guess a decent line would be to call and jam the river as a bluff, but i just dont think he has a high enough freq to be raising this turn with air for that line to be profitable
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    10-12-2011 , 08:25 PM
    c/c turn phazm. i fold now.
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    10-12-2011 , 08:31 PM
    folding is not an option imo..either jam turn or call then c/c any river

    its 4 handed against a pretty good plr..no pretty good player would raise turn, nor not raise flop with a hand that beats you/can call, except semi bluff with AAxxhh/KKxxhh which he obv doesnt have..4 not raising there, boat not raising there, only bluf wraps and nutty fd's maybe..he has the perfect stack size to jc turn and max his value with a hand that beats you

    Last edited by K_2; 10-12-2011 at 08:36 PM.
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    10-13-2011 , 10:25 AM
    looks simple spot, but i don't know if i should get in pre or just call.

    3bettor is 2p2er v good reg on lag side. cold caller is a fish who i don't have stats because my HUD doens't work at this table (idk why). i am multitabling, so actually i don't have any reads/info on him, all i know is he always seeing a flop.

    i am raising in this spot a ton, so probably villain's range is a little wider. ya i should 4bet?


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    SB ($622)
    BB ($1,070)
    UTG ($1,407)
    Hero ($2,609)
    BTN ($2,116)

    BB antes $1.20
    UTG antes $1.20
    Hero antes $1.20
    BTN antes $1.20
    SB antes $1.20

    Dealt to Hero T 7 K K

    UTG calls $6,
    Hero raises to $33, fold, SB raises to $117, fold, UTG calls $111, HEROOO ?????????
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    10-13-2011 , 10:33 AM
    weeeee (4b)
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    10-13-2011 , 11:14 AM
    mandatory 4bet,but small enough that you can 6bet if sb shoves!
    sb is on aces and 5bets ai,utg has to put you both on aces and comes along.
    finally you 6bet vs utg for a nice sidepot.
    ballpark:
    mainpot -$70
    sidepot +$260
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    10-14-2011 , 08:15 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by berserk
    Is this a 3b pre (25% range for original raiser)? Should I fold to the 4bet? 4bettor is tight and always has KKA or AA or maybe AKQJds

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    SB ($2,417)
    BB ($600)
    UTG ($3,438)
    UTG+1 ($1,539)
    CO ($1,367)
    Hero ($632)

    UTG antes $1.20
    UTG+1 antes $1.20
    CO antes $1.20
    Hero antes $1.20
    SB antes $1.20
    BB antes $1.20

    Dealt to Hero A T Q 9

    fold, UTG+1 raises to $24, CO calls $24, Hero raises to $112, SB raises to $397, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $285





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    PL Omaha $6(BB) Poker Stars
    SB ($3,432)
    BB ($1,569)
    UTG ($1,162)
    Hero ($600)
    BTN ($2,444)

    SB antes $1.20
    BB antes $1.20
    UTG antes $1.20
    Hero antes $1.20
    BTN antes $1.20

    Dealt to Hero K 8 K A

    UTG raises to $18, Hero raises to $69, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $51

    FLOP ($153) 5 J 7

    UTG checks, Hero bets $90, UTG raises to $421, Hero folds

    UTG wins $331
    1) 3bet is fine, but fold to the 4b, hand plays really bad vs AA/KK, if you are afraid hes 4betting light you can just flat pre IP and realize your equity

    2) second is close, readless im folding first time I guess
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    10-15-2011 , 12:29 AM
    Should I be playing this any differently? Or is this just going to be a cooler, no matter how I play it pre?

    Seated at a 2/5 live PLO table at a charity event at some VFW. Table has been playing loose and aggressive. Hero has slowly built up his min buy-in ($200) playing TAG-ish despite the game never getting full. Didn't realize he was buying in for min, as he thought the table would be 1/2, as usual. But screw it, I drove 40 minutes to get here, so let's play.

    BB: ~$150
    Hero (UTG): ~$305
    UTG+1 (just sat down and immediately spiked a monster pot): ~$800
    MP: ~$500
    BTN: ~$400

    Hero is dealt A K T T
    Hero calls, UTG+1 raises to $25, MP calls, BTN calls, BB calls, Hero calls

    FLOP ($120 post rake): 9 J Q (Hero does a little dance internally, especially when...) SB checks, BB shoves for $125 more, Hero ships $280, and gets snap-re-potted by UTG+1 , MP folds, BTN folds

    BB shows 8 9 T Q
    UTG shows Q Q 7 8

    TURN ($805): J

    RIVER: Does it freaking matter?

    GG me.
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    10-15-2011 , 01:16 PM
    raise pre. Try and avoid board pairing turn river cards.
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    10-15-2011 , 01:19 PM
    SB: $82.30
    BB: $400.00
    Hero (BTN): $454.00

    Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN with 3 T Q 8
    Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, BB calls $8

    Flop: ($26.00) 8 T 5 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $20.00, BB raises to $84.70

    I havent played a ton with villain but he seems kinda loose passive fishy. 42/20 with 1.1 aggression over 300 hands. All options seem kinda gross.
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    10-15-2011 , 01:31 PM
    ez call, if he is super passive, sometime u can fold.. although he has to be uber passive w/ v strong c/pot range
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    10-15-2011 , 02:50 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by FRGCardinal
    Should I be playing this any differently?
    GG me.
    flat flop, c/f trn if villain flats too
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    10-16-2011 , 12:56 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hoopster81
    yeah in theory I kinda like having a c/c range there but in practice I have found it so hard to balance
    ofc we can just dont like not having nuttiest parts of range out of your range n such a board but there are still various nfds and wraps that have nutty potential that are good candidates for c/c as well as some two pair / open ender things. the hand he gave was a bad candidate for that line tho
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