Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

09-27-2011 , 07:55 PM
I'd 4b given reads, not sure if its 4b/c or 4b/f though. You'd have to do the math on that one.
***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
09-27-2011 , 08:32 PM
if he has a high 3bet %, then just 4bet/call it. sure you're not happy when he shoves but you're definitely priced in (plus occasionally he might shove a AKJT type hand). i'm fairly sure the times you build a pot with a hand you dominate is going to more than make up for the occasional times he has AA.
***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
09-27-2011 , 08:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Syous
can u 4b/fold this?
nahhh dont think so. my hand vs all AAxx combos is still 32% and like chuck said he can show up with hands other than AAxx when he does 5b.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckBass
if he has a high 3bet %, then just 4bet/call it. sure you're not happy when he shoves but you're definitely priced in (plus occasionally he might shove a AKJT type hand). i'm fairly sure the times you build a pot with a hand you dominate is going to more than make up for the occasional times he has AA.
agree with this, ty
***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
09-28-2011 , 10:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckBass
if he has a high 3bet %, then just 4bet/call it. sure you're not happy when he shoves but you're definitely priced in (plus occasionally he might shove a AKJT type hand). i'm fairly sure the times you build a pot with a hand you dominate is going to more than make up for the occasional times he has AA.

seems fine....what are you doing at 200bb effective?
***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
09-28-2011 , 10:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by higher_energy
seems fine....what are you doing at 200bb effective?
I would 4b/c.
***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
09-28-2011 , 10:59 AM
Hmm actually not sure now. 300bbs and deeper you got implied odds vs aces and can 4b/c. Not really sure about 200bbs.
***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
09-28-2011 , 01:56 PM
Think 200BB's is a 4b/fold. And I agree with 300BB's being probable call for implied odds.
***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
09-28-2011 , 02:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marwan24
I seem to have some trouble in spots like these. Just started playing on the site, I think it was the same villain as yesterday where he limp/called CO, check/bumped my bet on AJ7r, check/called near pot on To turn putting FD out and check/called my riv jam with AA74, so AA is definitely in his limp/calling range here, but he does seem to open limp a lot both on the BTN and OOP.

I'm assuming flop bet is standard, what do you do when faced with a raise and do you take other lines on the flop rather than Cbetting?

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q T 6
MP calls $10, CO folds, Hero raises to $40, 2 folds, MP calls $30

Flop: ($95) 2 A 7 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $55, MP raises to $257, Hero ???
Just wanted to try bumping this once for some responses as these spots seem really simple yet always give me a tough time when I'm checkraised.
***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
09-28-2011 , 03:51 PM
essentially you have a bluff catcher if the pot gets big. c/c flop/trn is ok
***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
09-28-2011 , 04:02 PM
I'm in position, therefore can't check/call flop, but I feel like checking back is really weak especially since I'm Cbetting this board so often.
***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
09-28-2011 , 11:37 PM
    [hand_history]Party, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10730672

    UTG: $114.30 (28.6 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $559.02 (139.8 bb)
    SB: $413.50 (103.4 bb)
    CO: $1,292.49 (323.1 bb)
    BB: $391.89 (98 bb)
    MP: $187.90 (47 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7 J A 8
    UTG calls $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $18, SB calls $16, BB calls $14, UTG calls $14

    Flop: ($72) 7 Q 5 (4 players)
    SB checks, BB bets $40, UTG raises to $96.30 and is all-in, [color="red"]Hero ?!?!?


    UTG is a 60/20 donk
    BB is 60/40 over a short sample, defends bb 60%, 32% donkbet over a sample of 19, fold to cbet 70% over a sample of 10.

    call, cib, shove, fold?
    Totally lost here
    ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
    09-29-2011 , 12:36 AM
    shove
    ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
    09-29-2011 , 12:58 AM
    marwan - stacks? how deep are we?

    amuro - i shove
    ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
    09-29-2011 , 02:03 AM
    Villain is 30/20 average aggression, not a mutitabler but pays a couple tables a bit and seems ok

    Poker Stars $400.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players
    DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

    Hero (SB): $401.65
    BB: $507.00
    CO: $791.55
    BTN: $421.70

    Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is SB with 7 9 T 6
    CO raises to $12, 1 fold, Hero raises to $40, 1 fold, CO calls $28

    Flop: ($84.00) 4 7 J (2 players)
    Hero bets $52.00, CO calls $52

    Turn: ($188.00) T (2 players)
    Hero (~$310)?
    ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
    09-29-2011 , 05:47 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by marwan24
    I'm in position, therefore can't check/call flop, but I feel like checking back is really weak especially since I'm Cbetting this board so often.
    villain limped, so he is a fish. a fish don't think about ranges, do you don't need think ''i am cbetting this board often, so i need cbet w/ this good hand''.

    i am also cbetting this board very often w/ air, sets, 2pairs, FDs, bluffs etc, but w/ weak top pair + Thigh fd i like check back once in a while.

    if our FD was higher id cbet to get max value from big FDs, but w/ Thigh fd i probably check. also boart has FD, but is very dry. if it was A85dd id bet to get value from str8 draws.

    as played i probably bet/fold hating myself.
    ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
    09-29-2011 , 11:56 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by higher_energy
    marwan - stacks? how deep are we?

    amuro - i shove
    Wow, I am never using that HH converter again. Didn't do the suits, I had to do it myself and I guess didn't input stacks. Anyways, I think we were 530$ effective at start of the hand. So after betting flop, I have about ~485 left.

    @Urubu, I think you're right and I should really stop trying to balance my range vs fish. I often do try to balance vs them and it usually puts me in really ugly spots like these. Also if I had Khi FD there is definitely a good chance I end up stacking off with it. I did end up tank folding the check/raise and ya, felt really sick doing it. And knew I must've done something wrong.

    Do we still bet vs a reg to balance in similar situations where we are the preflop raiser and it's checked to us on the flop? (although I'm assuming regs don't open limp, but this is on a Euro site so even they might).
    ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
    10-02-2011 , 11:50 AM
    plz line check on this hand:

    Grabbed by Holdem Manager
    PL Omaha $10(BB) Replayer
    SB ($1,210)
    BB ($2,002)
    Hero ($987)
    CO ($1,022)
    BTN ($1,270)

    Dealt to Hero A T K 4

    Hero raises to $30, CO calls $30, fold, fold, fold

    FLOP ($75) T 7 A

    Hero bets $50, CO raises to $225, Hero calls $175

    TURN ($525) T 7 A J

    Hero bets $525, CO raises to $767 (AI), Hero calls $207 (AI)

    RIVER ($1,989) T 7 A J 3

    CO shows J 7 9 8
    (Pre 44%, Flop 48.7%, Turn 67.5%)

    Hero shows A T K 4
    (Pre 56%, Flop 51.3%, Turn 32.5%)

    Hero wins $1,986


    reads on villain: no reads. over 8hands he is 40/20. villain is 2tabling w/ 120bbs at one table and 500bbs at other. i suspect he is a weak reg, but could be a fish.

    flop - looks like i am crushed by sets or fliping vs KQJx, 987x. his pot size makes me think its more wrap than sets. i think i am doing bad vs this range, but top2 + 2bdfd... meh. if fold looks like a chicken move, so i called thinking i should fold.

    turn - i bet because my equity is huge vs everything. if he has a str8, then lets bink one of our zillions outs. if he has a set (small chance), he might fold.

    anyone have other line to this hand? i am more interessed in flop play. in retrospect i think folding flop is the best play.

    ps: marwan, i like checking once in a while vs a reg who we play a lot with.
    ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
    10-02-2011 , 12:07 PM
    ^^shove flop

    ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
    5,275,880 trials (Exhaustive)
    board: at7
    Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
    ahkhts4s51.54% 2,243,118952,112
    (tt,77,at,kqj,qj9,j98,986):9%-35%48.46% 2,080,650952,112

    ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
    6,927,360 trials (Exhaustive)
    board: at7
    Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
    ahkhts4s57.50% 3,487,777990,894
    (tt,77,at,a7,kqj,qj9,j98,986):9%-35%42.50% 2,448,689990,894

    ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
    4,729,760 trials (Exhaustive)
    board: at7
    Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
    ahkhts4s51.06% 1,939,050952,112
    (tt,77,at,kqj,qj9,j98):9%-35%48.94% 1,838,598952,112

    Last edited by j.a.o.p.; 10-02-2011 at 12:14 PM.
    ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
    10-02-2011 , 01:22 PM
    i like your line urubu.
    ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
    10-02-2011 , 01:42 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by urubu111
    plz line check on this hand:

    Grabbed by Holdem Manager
    PL Omaha $10(BB) Replayer
    SB ($1,210)
    BB ($2,002)
    Hero ($987)
    CO ($1,022)
    BTN ($1,270)

    Dealt to Hero A T K 4

    Hero raises to $30, CO calls $30, fold, fold, fold

    FLOP ($75) T 7 A

    Hero bets $50, CO raises to $225, Hero calls $175

    TURN ($525) T 7 A J

    Hero bets $525, CO raises to $767 (AI), Hero calls $207 (AI)

    RIVER ($1,989) T 7 A J 3

    CO shows J 7 9 8
    (Pre 44%, Flop 48.7%, Turn 67.5%)

    Hero shows A T K 4
    (Pre 56%, Flop 51.3%, Turn 32.5%)

    Hero wins $1,986


    reads on villain: no reads. over 8hands he is 40/20. villain is 2tabling w/ 120bbs at one table and 500bbs at other. i suspect he is a weak reg, but could be a fish.

    flop - looks like i am crushed by sets or fliping vs KQJx, 987x. his pot size makes me think its more wrap than sets. i think i am doing bad vs this range, but top2 + 2bdfd... meh. if fold looks like a chicken move, so i called thinking i should fold.

    turn - i bet because my equity is huge vs everything. if he has a str8, then lets bink one of our zillions outs. if he has a set (small chance), he might fold.

    anyone have other line to this hand? i am more interessed in flop play. in retrospect i think folding flop is the best play.

    ps: marwan, i like checking once in a while vs a reg who we play a lot with.
    Its quite hard to put him on sets because AAxx i feel he probably would have raised preflop. its possible he has TTxx or 77xx but because of combos it is still unlikely. I think you're right that b/c of his pot size bet its more wraps than sets, i think the flop u have good enough equity to get it in with 2 BDFD... it makes sense that u would want to catch more bluffs and just flat his raise but at the same time i prefer raising because there arent a lot of turns you're going to be folding anyways.. and from my experience fish wouldnt fire turn with 1.5 SPR left with very little equity.

    If u were in position i think calling is the best line, but because you're OOP i say raise is a bit better

    edit: i'd also like to add that i dont think there's anyway he's raising that flop as a bluff given your reads on villain and him calling preflop
    ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
    10-03-2011 , 06:19 PM
    call and call non diamond non QJT rivers
    ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
    10-07-2011 , 09:24 PM
    PokerStars Game #68638065981: Omaha Pot Limit ($25/$50 USD) - 2011/10/08 4:12:18 EET [2011/10/07 21:12:18 ET]
    Table 'Gaea III' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: Sira Al Aziz ($5345 in chips)
    Seat 2: hanster ($1819 in chips)
    Seat 3: TheFish77 ($7092.20 in chips)
    Seat 4: kevinnok ($2050 in chips)
    Seat 6: hotmark777 ($2772 in chips)
    hanster: posts small blind $25
    TheFish77: posts big blind $50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to hotmark777 [Ad 5s Qd Js]
    kevinnok: folds
    hotmark777: raises $100 to $150
    OneCrazy leaves the table
    Sira Al Aziz: calls $150
    hanster: folds
    TheFish77: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Kd Td Th]
    hotmark777: bets $250
    Sira Al Aziz: raises $425 to $675

    ????

    with what plan

    (in actual hand i three bet he flatted ace hit turn.... you? had 1.5k left behind)
    ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
    10-08-2011 , 04:38 AM
    check up plz

    Villain is a random and hav no reads other than is stack which he bought in for

    I am BB with AAT3

    BB: $404 (101 bb)
    SB: $204.20 (51.1 bb)

    Preflop:
    SB raises to $12, BB raises to $36, SB calls $24

    Flop: ($72) 6 5 8 (2 players)
    BB bets $72

    this is standard right?
    ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
    10-08-2011 , 04:56 AM
    Nope. Bet smaller-fold.
    ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote
    10-09-2011 , 06:51 PM
    Fold turn? Shove turn? Fold flop? Shove flop??? shove river?
    lol

    PokerStars Game #68734539387: 8-Game (Omaha Pot Limit, $25/$50 USD) - 2011/10/10 1:45:55 EET [2011/10/09 18:45:55 ET]
    Table 'Donar III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: glosik ($2956 in chips)
    Seat 2: TheAra ($1925 in chips)
    Seat 3: Deill ($6270.50 in chips)
    Seat 4: calvin7v ($3147 in chips)
    Seat 5: hotmark777 ($8814.20 in chips)
    Seat 6: Papartis88 ($5425.80 in chips)
    glosik: posts small blind $25
    TheAra: posts big blind $50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to hotmark777 [Jh 4s Jc 4h]
    Deill: calls $50
    calvin7v: folds
    hotmark777: raises $175 to $225
    Papartis88: raises $575 to $800
    glosik: folds
    TheAra: folds
    Deill: folds
    hotmark777: calls $575
    *** FLOP *** [Jd Qd Ac]
    hotmark777: checks
    Papartis88: bets $550
    hotmark777: calls $550
    *** TURN *** [Jd Qd Ac] [8c]
    hotmark777: checks
    Papartis88: bets $1650
    hotmark777: calls $1650
    *** RIVER *** [Jd Qd Ac 8c] [9d]
    hotmark777: checks
    Papartis88: bets $2425.80 and is all-in
    hotmark777: folds
    Uncalled bet ($2425.80) returned to Papartis88
    Papartis88 collected $6122 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $6125 | Rake $3
    Board [Jd Qd Ac 8c 9d]
    Seat 1: glosik (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: TheAra (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: Deill folded before Flop
    Seat 4: calvin7v folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: hotmark777 folded on the River
    Seat 6: Papartis88 (button) collected ($6122)
    ***HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD*** Quote

          
    m