Bettor is 88/25 over 9 hands, rest of players are all quite loose passive.


Pre is standard? Flop play?

Pre is definitely standard OTB. Flop is spewy, calling in position seems better

Pre-Flop - Given that there are 3 players already in the pot, I think you should fold this hand because it´s very hard to flop a hand able to get it in multiway in the flop. Every time u get it in with these flush draws multiway someone will have a higher flush draw. Your straight are often going to be dominated as well because u only have 3 cards in a row. Unless you flop a 98x u won´t have a draw good enough to get it in multiway.

Flop - Not sure if you should call or fold, I´m more inclined to fold. Shoving is overplaying IMO because there a lot of players behind you and u r going to be crushed equitywise if 2 or more players come along in the pot. There are a lot of scenarios where u´ll be crushed in a multiway pot. For example: if someone has a set and someone has a dominating draw (TQKx), you´ll be almost dead. Someone holding QT8x has you crushed, etc....
The problem with the call is because u r sandwiched with a lot of players behind to act. Given that, if someone shoves and gets a call, you will probably have to get it in with poor equity.

Given the arguments exposed, I think it´s close between fold and call, but I pick the fold button.
This is exactly what get from calling PF with these kind of hands in a familiar pot.

Flop is a fold and it isn't close.

Nice detailed post, ty.


Could you elaborate a bit?

Getting it in vs both a set and the current nuts has to be -EV

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

740,460 trials (Exhaustive)

board: J 7 9

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Ts Js Qh 5h	28.82%	210,232	6,323
JJ	71.18%	523,905	6,323

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

7,880,200 trials (Exhaustive)

board: J 7 9

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Ts Js Qh 5h	31.52%	2,285,027	397,015
T8	68.48%	5,198,158	397,015

We can be drawing super slim if villain holds nuts plus some shared redraws

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

1,136,520 trials (Exhaustive)

board: J 7 9

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Ts Js Qh 5h	20.30%	72,912	315,567
T8Q	79.70%	748,041	315,567

Was going to say this but had to have a cheeky look at the hand history!! It's still a clear fold but it is annoying when you have the worst relative position to the table donk!

As for why it's a clear fold - it's 6 way and all we have is a pair that's never good (and won't help with outs) and an OE. We're in the worst relative position after CO bets - shipping is just really terrible because we're in bad shape vs almost anything that calls and 6 way it's likely someone has hit better than us. Calling is bad because with 4 to act behind us anything could happen.

As for pre... calling is standard IP. If everyone at the table was solid with tight ranges then it'd be a fold but when you're up against plenty of garbage it would be a mistake not to call. Sometimes we'll GII dominated but we can also GII in fine/ great shape. (eg. 8h9s2h - might GII vs 89 (no or just a gutshot for redraws) or 9675hh) or even a similar wrap QJT with no FD or worse FD.

Call flop. You've got a mouth breather trying to get frisky with an overpair and you have the nut draw on a rainbow board. Hit and stack chips