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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
Flop is a fold and it isn't close.
Was going to say this but had to have a cheeky look at the hand history!! It's still a clear fold but it is annoying when you have the worst relative position to the table donk!
As for why it's a clear fold - it's 6 way and all we have is a pair that's never good (and won't help with outs) and an OE. We're in the worst relative position after CO bets - shipping is just really terrible because we're in bad shape vs almost anything that calls and 6 way it's likely someone has hit better than us. Calling is bad because with 4 to act behind us anything could happen.
As for pre... calling is standard IP. If everyone at the table was solid with tight ranges then it'd be a fold but when you're up against plenty of garbage it would be a mistake not to call. Sometimes we'll GII dominated but we can also GII in fine/ great shape. (eg. 8h9s2h - might GII vs 89 (no or just a gutshot for redraws) or 9675hh) or even a similar wrap QJT with no FD or worse FD.