Maybe I'm different than most but I just learned by playing. I never played it online. The first time I played I sat in a mixed game and when PLO came up I asked the rules and the cards were dealt. I just played tight until I got a feel for the game. For some reason I play PLO better than NL holdem and I can get better reads on players.

I've find that in most live games players only pot it with the nuts or a made hand with a draw to the nuts. I've also seen many rookies over play AA rag rag. I always buy in for the max and reload if I donk off 25% or more. [SPOIL]Here are some self made rules tell me what you guys think:

preflop:
I limp quite a bit with marginal hands like AJ68
Small raise with hands like AQ89 1 suit
Pot only with AKJJ or better double suit
Occasionally I pot it with hands like 67J10 suited figuring most of the time since I rarely pot it, most will put me on aces or kings, likely callers will have AK AQ with is a dream flop if you end up with and open ender and or flush draw. Also if heads up and in position you can make a rare bluff at the right board.

post flop only bet made hands and occasionally nut draws if the field is narrow
only call when drawing to the nut or 3-4th nut if heads up and the bet amount is right

1. Play 50bb
2. Limp/raise AA pre, fold everything else
3. Run good
4. Profit

I think the problem with your attitude playing at 50 bb is that you somehow want to get it in with >50% equity vs another player. That is impossible in this game.

Shortstacking in this kind of game is about getting it in vs 3 other players with 33 % equity. Doing that is like getting it allin hu with 57.5% equity twice, an edge which you have to be taking in omaha. Sure it does suck that 2/3 of the time you put your stack in you lose it all, but that's the way to play this type of game.

Also, never call off 1/3 of your stack with anything after only investing a couple of big blinds. at 50 bb in this type of game you are in all-in or fold zone. if you don't have an equity advantage pre, then just dump it. (of course calling a raise is fine if you think there's a good chance it won't get squeezed, but it seems like you say every hand gets squeezed which basically means also just flat your AAxx, connected KKxx, AKQJ, KQJT, JT97, etc hands then stick it all in when it comes back around).

The 5-10 game I play in will regularly have people doing this strat and I can't see them making too much profit over the long term, maybe a small WR. When they get in 50bb pf they are usually called by 3 or 4 players and we know how often random AAxx holds up vs. that many hands.

Not just picking on you sir - I saw this same drivel further up in the thread. This is Pot Odds 101 stuff. If the sims below are tl;dnr for you...

1. Get aces
2. Shove preflop
3. Profit

I mean, if you want a guarantee, buy a CD, but I see far too many people here questioning if you should shove aces preflop given the chance. Yes, you should.

Regards, Lee
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ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

25,054 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
aa**	26.42%	6,406	431
20%	18.03%	4,296	452
20%	18.61%	4,441	452
20%	18.73%	4,460	477
20%	18.21%	4,341	452

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
aa**	45.70%	267,050	14,314
20%	27.20%	157,123	12,165
20%	27.11%	156,682	11,982

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

231,038 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
aa**	33.98%	76,212	4,637
20%	22.01%	48,739	4,270
20%	22.04%	48,805	4,264
20%	21.97%	48,664	4,214

Lee I'm assuming you have better reading comprehension than you're demonstrating. I never said shoving aces wasn't profitable, merely that it's not going to show a significant winrate shortstacking assuming that is your entire strategy. I also find your "drivel" comment quite unnecessary and out of place.

I honestly don't know if you can have a significant win rate short-stacking and just shoving aces when you have the chance. Rolf Slotboom led us to believe he kept himself in food and rent in Amsterdam and Vienna for some amount of time doing just that.

Regarding the "drivel" comment, you're absolutely correct and I apologize. It was late when I wrote that, but that's no excuse.

Regards, Lee

id buy in deeper than the 50-60 bb u seem to be buying in. if u think its a dream game, u want maximum edge. so buy in for at least 90-140 bb(which wont play like 90-140 bb anyways with straddles etc)

u cant afford to buy in for 1000bb but surely a little more?

edit: see that u realized/theorized about this urself, didnt see your post after the OP.

still; I agree, you have more leeway and can actually play some poker.

Dude, ur the one that wants to play a short stack.

certainly sounds like you need to buyin for either 2000bb's or 50, and you told us 2000 isn't an option.

Use pro poker tools to run multiway equity sims and get ready for some retarded variance.

FYP.

The real answer here = PLO is high variance and there is no possibly strategy to play it under rolled that isn't a big gamble. You can buy in short and limp jam great starting hands, 100bb's and play solid as possible, or just put your whole roll on the table and wait for a big pot where you have nearly the mortal nuts, but in the end, if you are playing PLO under-rolled you are gambling it up with a good shot at going busto.