Let's face it, quads are pretty common in omaha.

But it can be really difficult to get paid off with them, as in this recent 5/5/10 live game when I was dealt KKxx and raise in early position and get a family pot of about 300. Callers include a good player with big stack on the button. Flop comes out KKJ, I check and it checks around. Turn x, checks to button who bets 175 and I call and it folds around. River x and I bet 350 and good player on button instafolds and shows JJ.

This isn't a perfect (or even a good) example, because, other than on the flop, JJ is pretty weak on this board and folding here is standard.

But I think it's an interesting question: with quads, is it better to play it fast and try to draw in a player who might want to isolate / protect (probably would have worked very well had I opened the flop in the example) but risk losing value if the bet takes it down right there, OR check check check and pot or raise on the river, leading to a smaller pot, but more likely players calling with weaker hands, and all too often, players not in the hand calling quads as you flip them and take down a meager pot.

Thoughts?

best line ever. people have so many bluffs in their range when they take these lines it´s ridicolous. same with check/call check/call lead blank river for pot.

I played a pot the other day...utg makes it 15, 4 callers im in the BB with 33AK ds. And call 15. 6 to the Flop - comes 379 rainbow. I check, utg bets 75, folds around and I call. Turn is the bingo card 3. I check, he bets 150 and i immediately make it 350. He insta calls. River is an ace. His hand is face up at this point so I jam my last 850 in the pot, he tanks for a few mins and calls. Shows 77xx and I scoop. I'm going to be more aggressive with my quads from now on and see what happens.

Bottom quads are a lot eaiser to get paid with than top quada but congrats on the one outer

Bet against players who expect you to slowplay quads or who pot control with non-nut boats that they can't fold. Consider slowplaying against players who will raise with bad full houses or pay off bets with a flush or straight on a paired board. In a multi-way pot with some of each, you're on your own, but I'd probably try to play if the way most of the table expects you to play trips.

Fold pre.

Asian nit

with top quads just keep checking and calling if anyone is willing to put a bet out there

I think there is a big difference to maximize your profit when playing overquads (kk) vs underquads (33). If you have the overs (and especially if you raised preflop it is best to continue with action as your continue range on a high pair board is almost 100%. This will allow draws to come alone and aggressive players to bluff raise.

If you have the 33 quads it is better to let people take the lead and possibly hit their set to make their full house in which you will often get to stack off.

this is pretty results oriented here; if hero had the under full house its a clear bet bet bet, and as to best rep a bluff and not your hand, i think hero should bet bet bet. basically for balance but also for balancing.

Double edged sword, because it usually takes away the villains opportunity to bluff. ("Usually" because there are those special some aggros who will bluff raise and spew to our bets on paired boards)

I think it is villain dependent. Some people like to bluff/stab paired boards. If its like 5/6 way to the flop then you can just bet because its unlikely people are going to be bluffing those situations.

If the overquads are low, like 885, then you can check if its multiway and hope one of the 1 or 2 overpairs floating around hits their 2 outer. Especially the case with solid/tight players, because its more unlikely these guys are playing many of the lower pocket pairs, eliminating the underfull from their range in some situations.

if he had the under full it's likely someone or two people have trips.you're betting for value and protection.
with top quads, 6 ways or whatever betting the flop is pretty silly, as is worrying about balance in live plo or worrying about top quad balance.

Thought the trolling was a little more clear

On kkj in a 6way pot id just lead small letting some fish draw to straight and incase someone has jj make him raise pot. 6way noone would take a stab anyway

Like most people said, definitely depends on board texture. Say you had like 22xx double suited and board comes 22A, someone is much more likely to pay you off, definitely reraising their entire stack if they got pocket Aces. KKJ is harder when there are several hands once the river hits that can beat theres. Though I feel in the same situation l, especially if it wasn't a family pot, there would be several people paying you off quite nicely there as well. Also overbetting as a bluff on your part could work nicely as well at times. Honestly depends on the homeboys you're playing.

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On a personal note, though I play in slightly lower stakes, I have always gotten the most value with quads by betting as much as possible when there are cards that are very likely to hit the villain's range.

In this exact scenario, villain had the ONLY hand that would have potentially put their entire stack in on the flop.

you may be able to rep a bluff by betting, but your opponent can actually have a bluff if you check. now you could try to maximize for the 1 in 200 chance that you catch someone with an underfull, or you could try to to maximize for the 199 in 200 chance that they have ****. i'll leave that decision up to you.

Depends on position, villian(s), game flow and type of quads:

Slow play and playing fast have both earned me full double ups. As well as no more money.

I lean toward slow play on locked down board out of position w/o reads, hoping villians improve.

There is no right answer in vacuum imho.

I figured I would contribute to this post once again because I got a full double up with quads yesterday.

$1/$2 PLO, 6-handed. I defend from the SB with TTQ8s. I am the effective stack with about $180. No reads on villian, who is on the button. One player posted out of position and checked.

Villian (Btn): makes it $9 to go. I call. BB calls.

Flop ($29): AT9. Checks through.
Turn ($29): T. I check. BB checks. BTN bets $14. I call BB folds.
River ($57): K. I check. BTN tanks and makes it $35. I jam. He calls.

Villian shows AKKQ. Hero gets paid off with quads.

Note, this just shows the validity of the slow play hope they improve line. Doesn't always work unless villian improves. But it did in this case, one word - lucky.