Typing this off my phone so apologies form rubbish hand conversion:

Playing 4handed. Me and two solid/good regs and some awful rec. Stacks 2.2k effective.

I open Btn to 75 w/ J865ss. SB, who I think is a gd reg live and online, makes it 250, folds back to me and I flat.

Flop 1095r, have bd fd. SB bets 350, I raise to 1.1 and call off to a shove.

I think I probably should flat in general as villain will most likely be in a situation to play turns that we do. That said I don't think we're ever going too wrong getting it in here. Villain is capable tho and can be wider that most in this spot but should def have a bet/folding range still.

If we do flat flop what's our turn plan on bricks?

meh shouldn't be too bad i guess. could probably fold either time pre, post, well you are usually a small dog and never getting folds but should never really be that far behind i guess.

in theory i think this should be a fold as most of his happy to continue range has you in a coffin. We're just so utterly crushed here when he has any T9 combo or T/9 + high end gutter combo. Granted you are doing ok but still flipish vs all his bricked AA combos but his KK/QQ stuff ls likely to have your Q and J outs blocked or as outs to higher straights. You aren't deep enough to peel and play turns IMO so just fold and wait for the flop to come 954 or something.

It just isn't a spot you can ever be ahead so why continue knowing your always behind and often times really behind.

On brick turns you peel your plan seems pretty grim for all reasons stated above unless he actually shows you his hand and you can categorically know your outs are actually outs and not just more coffin nails.

Board is easily in the upper half of what you are going to flop with that hand. If you fold flop you have to fold pre. If you fold pre you fold way to much to 3Bs.

Would not be horrible to get in in here with spr 4.4 but I'd expect most people to flat as we have position.

Yeah I don't think we should fold pre and think folding flop would be too exploitable although I think you raise a lot of good points Gakn so thanks for the response.

depends on dynamics. If u think he 3b too wide I raise flop w/ most of my range. If u think he 3b too narrow then I call w/ most of my range and put him in bad spots later. If ur playing exploitable poker I think this is a better hand to flat then raise. Never folding pre or flop I think. Maybe some turns like off suit A or K if he bombs.

I think you should've folded pre but other than flopping a straight this is the best board you could really ask for so I think you shipping it is the best play on the flop if the turn is a brick then you're faced with a pretty hard decision that I don't think you really want to have. GET IT IN ON THE FLOP!!!

vs 3blinds....there is no value in opening this hand
call 3bet
call cbet
on brick turns fold (depending on betsize)

it's a pretty ****ty hand that's in general going to cause you to play dominated **** and get it in bad a lot.

i mean it's one thing if some spineless dumb nit repots you pre and you know he has aces but against someone competent it really doesn't play well, even 4 handed.

Don't raise the flop, you can play turns well in position, you're not pushing an equity edge on the flop and there's little fold equity against his 3b range on this texture given SPR

You mentioned turn play, go with that line of reasoning. It's bad reasoning to say "we're not ever doing too wrong to get it in here". That often applies in situations where shoving isn't -ev but there's a much higher ev option

If villain is bet/folding a lot of flops go ahead and shove but I doubt he will have enough bet/folds here to make shoving best

would you limp here jaop?

no...

Flatting is def the better option here.
Think about why we raise in general. For one of two reasons: 1) For value. 2) As a bluff/semi bluff.

In this spot we are obv not raising for value since we only have bottom pair. So our only other reason would be as a bluff/semi bluff. Because of our hand structure, it would be more along the lines of a pure bluff as opposed to a semi bluff. We don't have very much equity in this pot since our only nut out is one of four 7s. Any of our other straight cards may give our villain a higher straight and a 5 may fill him up.

Thinking about our villains 3 bet range, there's not much I can imagine him b/f to on this flop. Any hand that he 3bet us with that doesn't smash this flop (which is not a lot) will most likely give up on the turn. Even a super strong flop hand like AKQx will have to play more cautiously if the board pairs for example.

Our hand is not very good to begin with, the reason we call the 3bet preflop is bc we have position. So why give up our positional advantage by raising the flop, when in all likelihood any hand that will fold to a raise will almost def shut down on the turn. And even hands that continue on a strong flop might have to slow down on the turn if a scary card comes.

fold pre

wait OP did you ship with a up and down which even if hits, likely has you crushed anyway?

Shove

I like this

Reg or fish in the $20 Blind? If Reg in the $20 Blind, raise smaller pre, to encourage fish to come along. Fold pre also an option, but I think too nitty.

Call flop, play poker on the turn.

Depends on villains cbet tendencies imo.. A solid good reg has more c/x and less b/fs so I think this is a flat. Against auto-pilot regs I think he b/fs enough here to make raising and calling close.

I suck at PLO but this seems like an easy flop flat....getting it in here just seems like burning money and we can potentially blow him off his hand on later streets.

Should fold or 4bet pre. JJxx and TTxx type hands crush you pre, but they should fold to your 4bet with those stack sizes. You also crush 9876, 6543 type hands that won't fold to your 4bet. If you flat the 3b, you allow these hands (which you crush) to bluff you out on a bunch of dry flops. Fold or 4b.

Alas, the mistake has already been made. On the flop, you should always flat. Pot will be at ~1.2k with 1.6k behind, so you will almost without fail take the pot away on a T or 9, plus plenty of other turns. If you flat and improve to 2p on turn and he bets again, you know it's no good and can fold quite easily. You make it a nightmare for him by flatting flop, with those stacks. Pretty horrif raise imo.

I like this line of thinking

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