I know it makes sense (sort of) and I've probably just been getting lucky lately, but I wanted to hear some other thoughts on this.
The last handful of times I've been buying into 2/5 games where the avg. stack is probably around $1,250 or so(probably more-max buyin is $2,000) for odd, short stack numbers of like $603 for example and playing very tight for a few orbits and than I'll raise preflop or 3-bet with a hand like (4-5-8-10-double suited) not complete garbage, but my image is of someone who is a fish or new to the game, so A-A-x-x or high straightening hands is what I'm put on almost always and I've been doubling up after my opponent hits any bit of the flop and I've hit hands like two pair, pair and straight draw etc.
Just wanted to know some thought on this, I know it makes sense but not sure if makes enough sense to continue as I've probably been getting lucky. But, the premise is that based on my image if my opponent hit's just a pair, they're going to get it in. Appreciate your thoughts. Thanks
While deception is a critical component of winning poker you can do the same thing with a hand that has a much better chance of flopping a monster, like 6789ds. Avoid playing raggedy disconnected holdings like 458T that can get you into serious trouble after the flop. Although sometimes these ****ed up hands do flop the biggest wraps.
Thanks for the reply. I am a pretty experienced plo player so this strat. is mainly for experienced players who know where they stand on the flop so they don't, like you said get into any big trouble there.
Same deal with the hand you mentioned for the most part. Though, I haven't played these stakes that often and I think I give players to much credit for being good. They probably wouldn't give me credit for 3 betting with a hand like that either.
Sorry for the last response OF4.. I don't have it all figured out that's why I'm posting. My thinking is that normally in plo your pushing thin edges and not getting it all in, in pots this size, where your that far ahead. Usually when I've been doing this I've been getting it in vs just a pair or a naked flush draw... That's all.
It doesn't really sound like you have a real winning strategy tbh, just folding a lot of hands is only one of many factors that should dictate how players adjust to you.. its also one of the least important, especially because with enough players you can still go for 1-2 hrs and not really have anything very playable even if your NOT a tight player
You are still buying in for the game 120bb deep, the odd chip number is not really important, personally I often have a random number of $1 chips because I will be moving from another game or didn't cash them out a previous session
Also, was your post implying you wouldn't 3bet premium kk, aa, or 4 well connected high cards?
I don't have anything against 3betting slightly offbeat hands with decent playability, especially with the right table dynamics, but it doesn't sound like you have a complete strategy.. if you can trick the table into thinking you don't know how to play whatever but in plo its super easy to find out because whoever doesn't will prob need to rebuy in the first 2 orbits, is making gigantic fundamental mistakes, doesn't know how to read their hand.. etc folding doesn't accomplish any of that
Moreover, even if you were buying in for a possible minimum of 200ish, that still doesn't tell the table much more than you maybe having bankroll considerations and/or are slightly intimidated by the game
"just folding a lot of hands is only one of many factors that should dictate how players adjust to you.."
"In this situation how else would you set up the situation that we are looking for besides folding until you get a spot to 3 bet with said hands? Besides also, buying in for an uneven number and short? "
1) Most people suck at PLO.
2) Most people are too busy looking at their own cards and figuring out what they have to concern themselves with your image.
3) A lot of decisions in PLO are driven purely by equity. Many of villain's hands will "play themselves" regardless of your image.
I agree but feel if you do want to be deceptive (which is hard in plo) this is a great way to do it and win a nice pot. As like you said most hands play themselves and your not usually getting it in, in a pot this size as a big favorite. When an opponent puts you on AA and they have an open ended straight draw or a pair in a 3 bet pot there a lot more likely to put in that extra $500 or so...
What you call deception, I would refer to as having a balanced 3-bet strategy, meaning that you can have strong hands on a variety of board types after 3-betting. Of course, most boards tend to have high cards, so your 3-bet range should be high card heavy. It's relatively uncommon for the flop to come 8 higher or lower.
The main issue is that I disagree with the following:
(1) Your weird buy-in strategy. Just pick a normal amount that you think is the most +EV. It can be short or deep or whatever.
(2) T854$ds is a poor 3-bet hand in a lot of situations. You're most hurt by the four. Change that 4 to a 6, 7, or 9 and your hand can now be a more reasonable 3-bet. So hands like T865$ds, T875$ds, T985$ds. The extra connectedness matters. Granted, I don't think you should be 3-betting all of these hands in all situations, but it's good to draw the line somewhere and say that T854$ds is not a 3-bet. Also, for helping your board coverage and "deception", you should first be adding some low rundowns first, most double-suited 1-gappers, and most single-suited or better 0-gappers. From there, you can also add some of your double-paired hands that are semi-connected and have a suit, such as 8866$ss.
OP you got it all figured out... these guys here are too blind to see your master plan... keep printing money I'm sure as long as you don't run really really bad you'll be awesome.
just fyi i would look up the next time for equities of the guy who "just hit a pair" is vs the top 50% flops or w/e that your continuing on when you 3/4b. I imagine they have more equity then you think against 2p+ and your talking about vs top 10-20% of flops for you.
I'm no troll... if you seen my roll, you'd know I get money like tolls... Spitt'n miracles that mirrors drakes, kendricks or Coles... you don't have to believe in election polls but if you don't believe in Santa you gonna get coal...What I present in my strategy is a gift like my presence, anti-gravity my essence... In reality, the duality between our realities is your play lacks the effervescence to make sense of how my play makes cents...
----If you Love plo you know not really my strategy, cause it's not, but more so this type of play makes you most money. I'd do the same with hands like 4567, 34,67... less with a hand like 78910... I rather build a multiway with that hand. You could also bluff a lot heads up on safer boards.... if your an experienced player. I haven't seen a retort that has a good point in it yet, to be honest. I'm aware of the hidden equity against pairs or flush draws and other such type hands.
Don't forget though, its also easier to bluff, heads up on flops in this situation... The key/hardpart is sensing a good situation that gets you heads up off a 3 bet.
