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12-15-2012 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by insyder19
I don't know how many gun dealer you have in the US but if I were to buy a gun in Germany I didn't know where to go. Yea it's easy to buy weed I guess but those guys don't sell guns.
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12-15-2012 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by gamboneee
you dont think you could find a couple guns within a week in any major city? you dont know people who probably know people that could? i know a couple people in the city that assuredly could take care of it. or the area i live in now is much more rural, people have tons of guns. i would say you have over 30% chance of breaking into a random house in certain areas and finding a gun thats not in a safe.

i doubt either of us have ever tried but i highly doubt it could be that difficult
lol great point! guns are legal in US, there are lots of guns in US because they are so easy to buy legally, therefore if guns were illegal they would still be so easy to find!!! how can i argue with that.

the point is if you couldn't get them legally you'd have to have access to serious criminals cuz guess what random criminals don't deal guns thats a pretty selective group. and i don't think that group is just going to sell guns to some random kid that comes along asking. you'd have to establish a whole network and be vouched for etc in order to even gain access to the people that would consider selling to you.

i can't believe i'm even arguing this point, this is so absurd.
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12-15-2012 , 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ItsmeMario
i am not pro guns, Live in a country where our cops dont even carry guns unless they get told to.
where do you live?
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12-15-2012 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by urubu111
where do you live?
Norway I think? Atleast I think that cops don't carry guns there.
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12-15-2012 , 07:51 AM
Yeah he lives in Norway. It's the same in Finland (and Sweden I think?), cops don't carry guns.
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12-15-2012 , 08:48 AM
they do in sweden...at least the last time i checked
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12-15-2012 , 08:51 AM
Yep, I googled it an they carry guns, my bad.

I just always assume Norway, Sweden and Finland are the same in every aspect.
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12-15-2012 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by chinz
I just always assume Norway, Sweden and Finland are the same in every aspect.
Pretty sure almost everyone does
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12-15-2012 , 11:24 AM
It`s just norway they are dont carry a gun but in swe and fin they do!!
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12-15-2012 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by riverboatking
lol great point! guns are legal in US, there are lots of guns in US because they are so easy to buy legally, therefore if guns were illegal they would still be so easy to find!!! how can i argue with that.

the point is if you couldn't get them legally you'd have to have access to serious criminals cuz guess what random criminals don't deal guns thats a pretty selective group. and i don't think that group is just going to sell guns to some random kid that comes along asking. you'd have to establish a whole network and be vouched for etc in order to even gain access to the people that would consider selling to you.

i can't believe i'm even arguing this point, this is so absurd.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story...5#.UMynM29QU6x

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/463164.../#.UMyocG9QU6w

i think you are over stating how hard it is to get a gun in any city. but then again maybe im wrong too. o well, i think we can agree that it was tragic and arguments shouldnt stem up from what happened
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12-15-2012 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gamboneee
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story...5#.UMynM29QU6x

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/463164.../#.UMyocG9QU6w

i think you are over stating how hard it is to get a gun in any city. but then again maybe im wrong too. o well, i think we can agree that it was tragic and arguments shouldnt stem up from what happened
you seem to be missing my point. you keep demonstrating how easy it is to buy guns in the current system whereby buying guns is legal. i'm saying there is no way it would be so easy if the gun ownership laws were changed.

either way i def agree with your last statement.
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12-15-2012 , 03:40 PM
why shouldnt we argue about this? this is the PERFECT time to argue about it. the pro gun people are ****ing idiotic and manage to ignore staggering statistics that show how terrible the US gun culture is while also being completely terrible at analogies and basic logic.

i dont care about your gun rights and you all (pro gun droolers) can go **** yourselves. learn to hunt with a bow or go sit on a goddamn dick.
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12-15-2012 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ItsmeMario
If someone wanted to do this, i dont think a gun law would have stopped them in obtaining a gun.
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Originally Posted by riverboatking
people always say this **** and its so ****ing ******ed/tilting.
jesus ****ing christ +1
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Originally Posted by insyder19
I don't know how many gun dealer you have in the US but if I were to buy a gun in Germany I didn't know where to go. Yea it's easy to buy weed I guess but those guys don't sell guns.
I mean yeah +1 for Australia. I'm not exactly a criminal but I've never even discussed with my friends how to get a gun, I just assumed it would be a giant pain in the ass.

I also remember reading a thread about a guy trying to commit suicide, and he wanted to do it by shooting himself obv, but guns aren't easy to obtain. So he (attempted) another method because he couldn't be bothered. One more life saved.

Kinda morbid but it's a great case example. The more hoops you make people jump through to own a gun, the less guns owned by the people. The less guns owned by people, the less people get killed. herp ****ing derp
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12-15-2012 , 08:23 PM
The guns belonged to his mother. Who he shot in the face and killed. There should be more regulation as to how a gun/guns are obtained. There should possibly be background and physiological checks required for everyone in the home, or anyone that would have access to the guns easily. I have guns and a permit to carry; I had to take a 2 day long class, a shooting test, and a full background check. You should not be able to buy guns without these basic checks.

One of my guns saved my life at a firefight in a private game. I'm not pro or anti gun per se. I am pro freedom of choice; with proper regulation
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12-15-2012 , 08:58 PM
Now that the pictures of the victims are coming out this is seriously making me sick/angry. ****ing scumbag how could he do this to these children
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12-15-2012 , 09:44 PM
isnt your name a gun? seems a bit pro gun. pictures seem extremely excessive

rbk, i guess we are meeting in the middle. the point of buying online is that its not SUPPOSED to be legal, although i guess it is technically, a nice loophole for those who cant buy one in stores.
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12-15-2012 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gamboneee
isnt your name a gun? seems a bit pro gun. pictures seem extremely excessive

rbk, i guess we are meeting in the middle. the point of buying online is that its not SUPPOSED to be legal, although i guess it is technically, a nice loophole for those who cant buy one in stores.
I enjoy shooting and guns. But I'm not some pro-gun nut. I grew up in a military family.

I do realize that there is need for more regulation; I don't think guns should be banned obviously
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12-15-2012 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by XD45ACP
I enjoy shooting and guns. But I'm not some pro-gun nut. I grew up in a military family.

I do realize that there is need for more regulation; I don't think guns should be banned obviously
why shouldnt they be banned? in countries that have banned guns the results have been absolutely fantastic. look at the numbers and the facts.

you are saying that your enjoyment of guns is more important than the huge number of lives that are lost every year.
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12-15-2012 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous Help
why shouldnt they be banned? in countries that have banned guns the results have been absolutely fantastic. look at the numbers and the facts.

you are saying that your enjoyment of guns is more important than the huge number of lives that are lost every year.
I'm not saying this at all. A permit to carry and a gun saved my life and that of many innocent others that had no way to protect themselves. One had already been shot and was bleeding to death at the scene.

I don't think guns should be banned because they also protect people and are a good tool in the right hands.

http://pokerati.com/2009/09/re-houst...ber-is-buried/

Last edited by XD45ACP; 12-15-2012 at 10:08 PM. Reason: add link
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12-15-2012 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by XD45ACP
I'm not saying this at all. A permit to carry and a gun saved my life and that of many innocent others that had no way to protect themselves. One had already been shot and was bleeding to death at the scene.

I don't think guns should be banned because they also protect people and are a good tool in the right hands.
they kill FAR more people than they protect. this is a fact that you choose to ignore in your rationalization.

i know this might seem crazy but, if guns were illegal, maybe you wouldnt have found yourself in a wild west shootout...

to reiterate- your reasoning for owning guns, however you choose to justify it, trumps the massive amount of lives that would be saved if guns were made illegal.
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12-15-2012 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous Help
they kill FAR more people than they protect. this is a fact that you choose to ignore in your rationalization.

i know this might seem crazy but, if guns were illegal, maybe you wouldnt have found yourself in a wild west shootout...

to reiterate- your reasoning for owning guns, however you choose to justify it, trumps the massive amount of lives that would be saved if guns were made illegal.
Now that you are quoting facts; do you care to post actual figures and a source. Thanks.
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12-15-2012 , 10:14 PM
i just dont understand how there are numerous countries that are similar to the united states that have banned guns in different degrees. we have statistical evidence that shows what happens when guns are banned. it is very clear that as more guns are banned the amount of gun related deaths decline. it is mind boggling that in the US this aspect of the argument is just completely ignored.
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12-15-2012 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous Help
i just dont understand how there are numerous countries that are similar to the united states that have banned guns in different degrees. we have statistical evidence that shows what happens when guns are banned. it is very clear that as more guns are banned the amount of gun related deaths decline. it is mind boggling that in the US this aspect of the argument is just completely ignored.
You aren't quoting anything just stating your opinion. But fwiw the populations of those countries are vastly different than the USA. We have serious problems here with a very violent crime element. We also have very poor education, and animosity between classes. The combination of these factors makes for a much more violent environment. The police respond times are 5 minutes for the best departments. I, as a law abiding citizen, will protect everyone around me if needed. I certainly don't want to leave this in the hands on most police departments in the USA

Sad as this all maybe it is the way it is. I'm not ignoring what you are saying. I'm simply telling you there is much more to these issues than the simple fix you are proposing.

If I would have been present at that school. You can bet your ass I would have done everything in my power, even laid down my life to stop this monster. There are thousands of armed citizens like me here. I do agree we need more effective regulation that is adopted by all states in order to prevent weapons from falling in the hands of such animals. That we do have to work on right now.
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12-15-2012 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by XD45ACP
I'm not saying this at all. A permit to carry and a gun saved my life and that of many innocent others that had no way to protect themselves. One had already been shot and was bleeding to death at the scene.

I don't think guns should be banned because they also protect people and are a good tool in the right hands.
Let's not forget that for every life you saved by owning a legal gun, another x were lost.

Your resolution sounds to me something like "drink driving is bad, but I'm really good at it so its ok".

Another factor is that you sound like you may be one of the people that would own a gun regardless of the legislation.

The bottom line here is, the end goal is to have less deaths. I don't have statistics handy, but I'm sure they support the obvious outcome. Proposing that there would be more deaths without a new legislation than with, frankly, is completely preposterous.

Last edited by Deldar182; 12-15-2012 at 11:08 PM. Reason: imo
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12-15-2012 , 11:06 PM
the reason americans have the right to bear arms is beacuse it was meant to provide the people with a way to defend themselves if the government became some sort of tyranny

mind you that constitution was written in another era of human history.
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