just saw this hand while waiting to get a seat in the game. whats the chance that this wasnt collusion? silah is obv the big fun player in this hand and other 2 are semi regs.
€: just realised that it doesnt show the playernames. sorry i attached the full hh below

I think this hand would make me more inclined to want to play with those two at the table


Doesn't really look like collusion, more like Val trying to get to showdown and then ihazidea.jpg comes into his head

Looks like collusion to me

yea this could be suspicious

but what can you do? it's only one hand too complicated to act on just 1 hand

meeeeh, wrong funplay, the King would just press call there with his 7 high flush and win da moniez! then i bet theire face would be hilarious

Worries about collusion is why I surrendered playing on pokerstars.fr

Seriously tho, this hand is very suspicious and indicative of collusion, effectively using a K + Q blocker raise and overcall to try to get sil to fold weaker flush.

But it could also be Val turning straight on 3flush board into nut-blocker bluff and qwert originally trying to bluff out better 2p/set/str8 and then either misclicking or leveling himself into calling putting Val on nutblocker and figuring he doesn't have to worry much about sil calling.

This, way more evidence needed to prove anything. Couldn't hurt to send an email to stars support w/ this hand and your suspicions tho

Stars security is pretty damn good at catching stuff like this, so if they are regularly colluding I think there's a good chance they'd be able to detect it, esp if they get a tip-off

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looks very suspicious to me:
nut and second nut flush blockers.
Val knows that no matter how big a fish silah is he will have to fold his entire river calling range vs the ridiculously strong x/r ai followed by qwerty's 227bb ai call.
qwerty called it off with ****ing A3.

Has anyone actually PPTed how A3 does vs the set of all hands with Ks that villain gets to river with?

this is just as much collusion as it can be a normal 'good'read. a3 or second nuts for the overcaller is basically same hand obv.

I actually liked how all 3 played the hand

The classic collusion set up would finish with querty fold and not call, right? Dont see the (collusion) point in his call.

This.

Also guy with the str8 was likely planning to c/ca, yet after the fish called, decided he isn't good. He knows best hand anyone can have (by the action and his blocker) is the 3rd nuts, so he decides to bluff. Makes perfect sense.

if they collude, its most likely that they also share action. so it doesnt really matter which one of them wins the money unless its silah. the fun player in this hand is certainly in the top1% of funplayers. when qwerty fold there is no way he folds a flush.

example of random hand he got in few min earlier that illustrates how light he is.






in this scenario qwertys AQs3 hand has way more sdv than usually in this spot. i would never expect him to turn it into a bluff unless he knows that valle is gonna follow it up with raising silah out if he calls.
on the other hand same counts for valle. if he doesnt know that qwerty will call there is no chance he will bluff off that amount to a guy who will most likely NOT fold.
something that you might not know. its 2015, those guys arent the finest plo regs, they are kinda semi regs. plo 5/10 does run for like 100 hands a day if at all and its not very likely they just decided to take this sick 800bb spot vs biggest funplayer when they know its gonna be tough to win back the 4k eu when the guy decided to yolo it up and hit n run or sth.

also it happend while pca takes place which might be another reason why players might be more inclined to collude when they are at the same place. that is very vague tho since i have no idea if anyone of them go to pca or not but still a possibility.

you have to consider who you are bluffing buddy. this guy was mental. if he has a flush he is gonna call no matter what. i wouldve not been surprised if he overcalled j high flush there.

I wasn't at the table but in this case they could just x down their straight. Why put 6k on the line to bluff that kind of fish off a flush?

Would have been a terrible collusion attempt if he's like that.

+1, I don't get the collusion angle.

I was thinking the same thing, but querty calling on the river makes both his and vale´s hand look so much stronger. This would basically force the "victim" into folding what must have been the best hand after putting in 70bb on the river which can be split among the colluders. Isn´t this EXACTLY how colluders would play the hand against xxss with perfect knowledge that "victim" can´t even beat 2nd nuts against 2 players who each put in 2500bb+ on the river?

Well yes except that why would they target a fish who will probably not fold a weak flush to do this against...?

Yeah, you´re obviously right. Doesn´t make sense against a whale who won´t fold, but it would be perfect against thinking players.

Def looks like collusion, email stars

I think even most whales fold J-high flush or worse to that action

Seems pretty std

qwerty doesn't rep much on the river after checking back the turn and he knows Val knows this. Because qwerty likely has a relatively weak range on the river it is a bit strange that Val didn't value bet the nuts being second last to act, as he can't expect qwerty to bet very often plus he wants value from the calling station silah. Therefore his x/r range likely contains plenty of nut blockers.