That reply from Betfair... Omfg

Which one
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Customer: can you please check these two poker accounts: 1w1ndrunner and PUSHaMIN
Customer: there is obv something going on with these two accounts
Customer: exact same stats, never playing at the same table and never chatting
Support: I can't check other customer's accounts as that would be in violation of data protection,
Customer: just must be new... you have to forward this to the person who is allowed. jesus
Customer: forward this to the "pokerguys"... they will understand. both play the same limits at PLO but never sit at the same table. That alone is more than strange. But then: Same stats on top. This smells like botting
Support: This is not something we can investigate for you.
Support: iPoker have an investigations team for colluding and other suspicious activity.
Customer: so? you contact ipoker or your boss or whatever... difficult?
Support: There is no proof of any wrong doing or suspicious activity by both customers.
Support: If you have proof I can forward it onto ipoker for you, however, to suggest that there are bots without proof, I can't do much with that.
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May someone still plays on coral or titan? contact the support there, 1w1nd is playing on coral and Push on titan afaik!

Controlling: That's just insane

TrollAccount provided futher data.
Just from the top of my head the numbers are sooo aligned. I'm close to 100% sure these are bots. 18/20 stats within 2% interval and 0/30 outside 5%(!!!). Even if the same player played on both accounts, I would imagine the stats being with differences.
Also, I see a lot of the same patterns as the bots from PS midstakes, but there are also small changes.

Glad I never played on ipoker!

I know its not exactly the topic, but i can`t understand why the pokerindustry is not offering a system/client that is free of bots and HUDs. Maybe that could help to revive online poker... Can`t be that difficult

How would it be possible?

At the moment we are using a client that is communicating with our device (pc) and all data are available, readable. Tracker-Software is using the dealer-chat to get all the infos... I am not a tech, but this it how it works. Isnt it?

An first option would be to stop that dealer chat which is basically the source of all data for HUDs and BOTs. If i choose a table it should be "like a webcam of a table" and i can see what is going on there and tell what i want to to. But without all these "unnecessary" data.

This would cause a big WTF for the multitablers and HUD-nerds, but i think in the long run it`s better for the industry.

I hope you at least got an idea what i think in my confused brain...

Ask me more, correct me, or lets think together abou it...

I don't think they take data only from dealer chat but also from scrapping the screen. So pokerrooms would have to constantly change look of the tables.

Is there any need at the moment to scrap the screen? All infos are in the dealer chat. Or not? I know that it is possible to get the infos by scanning the screen, but imo the solution to change the design of the table frequently should be ok.

But what about the idea in general? Isn`t this something to think about?

The poker industry is lucky enough that botrings and the involvement of software in general isn`t that big in the mainstream news. But the industry would needs some significant good news to get positive attention and attract players again.

Not sure but yeah, it seems like without a dealer chat and frequent changes of a table design it should be tougher for them to run the bots, if not impossible.

BTW I don't think it would be any problem for poker tracker/HUD users since these programs takes data from hand history files saved to hard drives, AFAIK.

It would be a problem also for tracker hud user for live-use, when i am right. Reason is: HM takes the handhistories and transforms the data into the hud. But without the dealer-chat HM wouldnt know which player is sitting where when the hand ist played. So the hud can`t be allocated.

By the way: Imo they could change text-handhistories to video-handhistories to make the life for hudusers and datanerds more difficult. Don`t get me wrong, i like data. But i believe HM and PT have not been good for the industry.

I am a hud-user mysel ofc.

It`s same with smoking. I smoke, but i wouldn`t have any problem with the decision to prohibit it.

Hey guys I just saw this. I will report this finding to my guy to pass along to ipoker security. I have played a ton of hands with pushamin both 6max and heads up and he chats whenever I talk to him so I find it hard to believe he is a bot. Although it is possible the guy botting is just watching his bot play while he choses tables or whatever

Can someone please sum up the findings to report. I saw the two accounts have very similar stats, anything else?

afaik ipoker should be informed already. 1win1ndrunner is still at the tables. PUSH i havent seen. But this means nothing i think at the moment.

Maybe wait a few days and see what happens?

^^ Still happening every day, very annoying

ipokers security department must be really ****ing bad to let these accounts continue playing... At least freeze the accounts during investigation

Just from the top of my head, but those stats looks awfully similar to the bots that we busted on stars last year.

Fedor, Seregaxx, Samanta et al. moving their botring elsewhere?

Anybody got a reasonable response from Ipoker about Windrunner? Or have a contact email for someone who has a clue whats going on that we could all mount concerns to?

No news. I have contacted support again and they promised to inform me within the next days about the investigation in general. Lets see what happens.

I didn't report this yet because I was told it was reported already. If you guys haven't heard anything in a couple days i'll relay the information to the guy I know who got 0utkast suspended.

Please report also and tell them that you would like to get a feedback within the next days. The more people report the more serious they take this.

I tried to report those accounts but support told me to contact API developers... You can try if you want. They are playing PLO50 and some PLO100. Just like (most likely) banned PLO20 bots they are using same sizings. 86% and 100% preflop and 50%, 70%, 100% on the flop.

"Thanks for getting in touch.

iPoker have replied to my email regarding the players below.

They confirmed the accounts are currently under investigation and that investigations of this type can take long periods of time due to the analysis of hand histories and other factors. Unfortunately due to data protection they are unable to share the overall outcome of their investigation, but rest assured that the appropriate action regarding these accounts will be taken."


But to be honest: Why are they so slow? Can`t take so long to investigate this and get a result... Shows me, that they don`t take serious enough.

Ongoing investigation... What a pathetic joke, ipoker!
You don't need a phd in advanced statistics to see the elephant in the room.

pushamin is one of the players that play the most volume on ipoker.... and he has been playing for years.

sad times, sad times