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Can you send me stats for Rhom? (Prob better to keep it private atm)

Be careful not to implicate innocents, because if you look hard enough at tens of thousands of regulars hands you'll always find some similar stats. Also just because they don't chat doesn't mean anything.

you are right of course. No chat means nothing itself. It´s only (maybe) one indicator in a bigger context. I am not saying that someone is guilty but if something looks suspicious than the network security should/could have a look at it. If the suspect is innocent than there shouldn`t be any problems for him. Or am i wrong?

Security will first investigate themself and only contact a player if they also see a reason to question his account/play.

These days its beter to be toooo careful than toooo trustful imo. PokerBananas and the case 0utkast showed us that. Without his suspicions and action one cheating pokerindustrydestroyer would still sit at the tables. So: wasn`t it worth it?

So last year around this time when I came home from Vegas I have played lot of hands with the same guys on Ipoker. Previous months I have been crushing there, EV is nice bla bla and all of a sudden something was really off, I started to lose a ton and in ridicolous ways. When I lose I try to find out why I am losing so was thinking for couple of days what the problem could be so after that I played again and same ****, lost and lost.

After that I have noticed something strange. There were 2 accounts (mrhusseinAA and corneliusb the 2 accounts). Mrhussein is a long timer Ipoker reg and corneliusb registered to that nickname exactly that month I started losing. I have noticed that their strategy was that one of them opensits, someone joins and then the other account joins as well.

In that period of time I started to play a lot with them 3 handed(obv before I noticed it that something was off). So I looked my database and found very very very strange things. I also purchased some hands to find out more details wtf is going on.

-Very very very similar stats both pre and postflop , nearly identical.
-I checked out when they started sessions and it was so shady that iirc 12 out of 20 times or something they started and finished the session at the same time and other times there was like 3-4 minutes difference.
-And now comes the fun part. When I was looking my own hh-s I noticed that they are trying to get a lot of hands 3way, so basically one of them opened from utg , random btn 3bet and other account cc with hands likr 9732ds etc and flop went 3 way. This is interesting because both players were pretty solid and u dont really see that kinda stuff from a very solid player.

So after these proofs (I spent over 10-12hours with it) to compare stats , look at hhs etc and I came to a conclusion that mrhussein and corneliusb is the same person. Oh yeah I forgot, they also played on the same amount of tables. After this, I collected proofs and opened a topic here on 2p2 with the screen names etc. Everyone told me that I was right and I should report it to ipoker, but sadly I didnt. I didnt believe that Ipoker will do something about it bc I heard their investigation team is pretty dumb and stupid also Ipoker did claim themself in the past, that they are running house bots on plo50-100.

After some days I asked napsus to close the thread bc I didnt want the cheaters to know that they are bust. I lost 40k in that roughly 1week on exclusively 5/10. It was so sick.

sick story danfiu, maybe they got ur laptop infected w malware or smth like that?

feel like something with rhombuz is off too yeah, seems likes he made some too good calls sometimes. but could be just a very good player also.

according to rptr 0utkast really hasnt played since 3 weeks, and rhombuz since one week at least.

I'm trying to get a skype group started about this but no one responded. MRHusseinAA and corneliusb were definitely the same player. I have suspicions about a few other accounts as well. The bigger problem is that ipoker is prob rife with bots. Don't think I've ran under EV as much on ipoker compared to any other site and I assume a large part of the reason is botting.

They don't need to infect his laptop. They were obv hole card sharing.

1. ugly to hear that you got scammed.
2. you put in the work and you didnt report? wtf?
3. The house bots part sounds interesting... Can you tell me/us more about that story.

4. rhombuz has been away from the tables for one week now. Maybe holiday, maybe closed. We will see...

Can you explain me how a bot can be the cause for running under EV? Tried to think about that but for me this statement doesn`t make sense....

Yeah I mean now its whatever but I regret so much I didnt report. I think I was too desperate and exhausted to report in the end.

3: It was a whole article I think on pokernews, it was like 3-4 years ago, they admitted themselfes, so sick.

If the bots share cards, the make superior decisions and hence run above EV.

Contact me next time if you are too exhausted. I will work as a secratary for you for a 50% share of all scammed money that you get back... ;-)

ok. found one source for the house bots

10.1.1.4 in games offered via the Website which benefit from more players or greater liquidity we may deploy automated players ("Bots")(whose usernames will be "bot") who are pre-programmed to play and join in with the game in order to assist the liquidity or the number of players gaming, although we will not use Bots without making such usage clear to You. We can categorically confirm that We do not deploy Bots in our Poker software and will take active steps in conjunction with our software providers to prevent their usage by any users of the Services; and


In this case you would know you play a bot... that´s not thaaaaat bad imo.

OK. If cardsharing is involved than i understand. But a "normal" bot without cardsharing wouldnt effect.

cardsharing bots.... lol. Superbots... Is there any proof that this kind of bots exist for PLO? I mean working ones...

I know there are many Russian forums for botting and they talk about it openly. When it was the big Russsian botring some years ago on Stars, I remember someone linked a forum where they were talking about making/upgrading/testing the bots. I am pretty sure too that there are still bots for example in the zoom500 pool.

But if there are bots in the Z500 pool than there is still hope. I remember JNandez crushing the pool in his challenge and that means that a human can still beat the bots. JNandez looks and acts a bit like a bot but i still believe that he is a human beeing.

I don't have proof they exist no. I would think it's likely they do however. It would require a large db of hhs to proof which i don't have access to hence trying to start a Skype group.

I am not so much a IT-guy, but what i have heard is that Skype is not a good idea to start groups related to poker. Skype is too unsecure in this environment.

I would keep Skype-Pokergroups away from the engine that i use for playing poker.

I also believe in bots, but i dont believe that these are unbeatable. I would consider myself a reg with tilt problems who is able to play some solid PLO but has a lot of space for improvement. And if i can play +-0 EV at the moment than the bots can`t be that good or there not many bots out there...

This thought process is flawed. If there is a bot at 500 zoom, its because he is a wining bot. So if Jnandez is crushing the games for 10bb/100, without the bot he would be crushing at 10.Xbb/100. Its the same for every human player out there. You would be wining a little more without the bot because there would be more money to be won.

you are right.

Who knows how many bots are out there. And maybe these are also capable of crushing every human.

Still it is nice to see that a human like JNandez can beat the pool with a nice winrate.

I hope that in the future there will be solutions to prevent botting. I think it is (easy) possible but there are for sure some reasons why they haven`t done it yet.

wow that is sick, no one knows MrHusseinAA? that account has been around for a long time

yea I remember playing mrhusseinAA on ipoker back all the way back in 2012 I think

Jnandez dropped off the face of the earth. ...

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A few people have provide me with data on the two ealier mentioned players (0utk and Rhom). Thanks.

I have, based on this data, build a datamodel and compared 25 stats across 3 datasets (both regs, busted bots and the two new accounts). The output shows 17/25 stats within a 5% interval and 10/25
Based on this I'm quite confident to say that the two suspected players are not the same player or build on the same engine. I can't say if it's bots or not, but if it is, it's not the same bot engine they are build upon.

Also, AIEV is not included (collusion could be the case)

Thx for your effort. Let`s see what happens the next days. I haven`t seen rhombuz for over a week now. Maybe conincidence... but he disappeared shortly after 0ukast and he was also clearly a winning reg what i have seen. Time will show...

Thx again that you put time and thoughts in this case!

There was another thread on Stars botting where there were a lot of names thrown around with no proof and many of the names mentioned were also 2p2 regs. That thread was deleted and will remain so. Should these threads be opened in the future, the OP should include solid arguments of foul play, not just 100 names thrown around. Thanks.