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02-11-2017 , 11:43 AM
I mean I have 65 in my 3b range. Not sure about original poster lol

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02-11-2017 , 11:43 AM
You guys not 3 betting the good ole 6578? 4567?

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02-12-2017 , 05:55 AM
Is anyone considering ever checking the flop at this stack depth?
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02-12-2017 , 07:26 AM
Xf is close to 100% guaranteed a better line than xr, I'm still not sure what best option is here though

Leaning
Xf > b/f > xc > bc

Based mostly on premise villain is checking back a very large portion of range, we realy only get exploited by worse flush draws and pair which is a small chance
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02-13-2017 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Xf is close to 100% guaranteed a better line than xr, I'm still not sure what best option is here though

Leaning
Xf > b/f > xc > bc

Based mostly on premise villain is checking back a very large portion of range, we realy only get exploited by worse flush draws and pair which is a small chance
Nice troll attempt.

Seriously though, if we're always cbetting strong hands/draws like this 100% of the time, aren't we pretty exploitable when we check, and especially when we x/c and the turn is a diamond? The opponent doesn't even need the Ad blocker to rep the nut flush effectively if it's never in our range to begin with.

Maybe from your experiences people don't exploit your checking ranges enough, but as a newer PLO player coming from a NL background I'm used to thinking about these things, and I'm a bit skeptical of the notion that seems to permeate the PLO community that it's always best to cbet the nut flush draw.

If solutions for Nash equilibria in NL tell us anything, it's that the EVs of checking and betting strong hands are most often very close (a huge surprise to everyone), and therefore mixed strategies are most often used with these hands. Granted this is PLO and not NL, but until we can actually get a sense of what a GTO solution looks like in this game I wouldn't automatically assume that the case is vastly different.
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02-13-2017 , 09:03 AM
This turn is terrible for our range, I would check all my range here. With this hand we have a decision if he bets turn.
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02-13-2017 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by flysohightosky
Nice troll attempt.

Seriously though, if we're always cbetting strong hands/draws like this 100% of the time, aren't we pretty exploitable when we check, and especially when we x/c and the turn is a diamond? The opponent doesn't even need the Ad blocker to rep the nut flush effectively if it's never in our range to begin with.

Maybe from your experiences people don't exploit your checking ranges enough, but as a newer PLO player coming from a NL background I'm used to thinking about these things, and I'm a bit skeptical of the notion that seems to permeate the PLO community that it's always best to cbet the nut flush draw.

If solutions for Nash equilibria in NL tell us anything, it's that the EVs of checking and betting strong hands are most often very close (a huge surprise to everyone), and therefore mixed strategies are most often used with these hands. Granted this is PLO and not NL, but until we can actually get a sense of what a GTO solution looks like in this game I wouldn't automatically assume that the case is vastly different.

Uhhh...

there is nothing wrong with hero checking the flop with strong hands this depth and other posters have correctly criticized the flop sizing for being larger than optimal

Some of your other points are really hard to follow though, this is a very difficult turn spot and its not clear what line you prefer
Some of the possible lines also change depending on sizing, hero can't really fold to a .5 psb whereas he can to full, etc
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02-13-2017 , 10:28 PM
Nvm, thought you were talking about the flop in your last post.
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02-14-2017 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by flysohightosky
Nvm, thought you were talking about the flop in your last post.
Anyone considering x raising flop? I don't like flop bet as it builds pot oop. Unless it's a small cbet which could be tricky.

Adds deception throughout hand as checking flop looks pretty sketchy
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