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Old 04-20-2017, 12:21 PM   #1
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5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

playing a very loose live game. blinds 5-5 this time button straddles for 100.

fish who is in SB and first to act raises to 300. he does this 100% without looking at cards just looking to get it in literally. has 600 total.

Im BB next to act with

AdQdTx9x

I have 1800, everyone else covers. game is very loose. do i commit myself here and repot this to 900? if i get shoved on i should be crushed. 8 players are left to act behind me.

as played, i called the 300, 1 more caller and 3 way to flop


J92r flop. the original raiser checks, i lead 500, 1 caller after me, and original raiser folds

turn J

J92J

i have 1k left, do i shove or check fold? i have a q and t blocker from him having draws, figure a ton of his range is J*** which i have 9% equity again. should i have check called flop? maybe check raised? thoughts on all streets? thanks!
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Old 04-20-2017, 01:09 PM   #2
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

I feel like if he had top pair with any other kind of draw on the flop he'd be shipping it OTF given the situation of this ridiculous 100 straddle and stack sizes. You would have to use information from his previous hands to determine his range here. But just given that top pair with anything else on this board would most likely ship OTF, I'm going to assume that a9 with the blockers here are good. Just my opinion
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Old 04-20-2017, 01:15 PM   #3
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

just pot it pre
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Old 04-20-2017, 01:50 PM   #4
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

bb is 5 and the straddle is 100? Something does not compute here. If is right very easy fold pre.
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Old 04-20-2017, 02:00 PM   #5
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

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bb is 5 and the straddle is 100? Something does not compute here. If is right very easy fold pre.
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Old 04-20-2017, 02:17 PM   #6
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

who is playing in a 100 dollar button ante game with 600 dollars? Im so confused.
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Old 04-20-2017, 02:18 PM   #7
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

you basically have an SPR below 2 on the flop. You dont need more than 30% to get it in here and break even so you might as well go with it.
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Old 04-20-2017, 02:49 PM   #8
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

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just pot it pre
maybe its the best play, still 30% vs aces. not saying its +ev but i somewhat try to avoid high variance preflop spots like this. i have always much prefered in plo to play spots like this or in that other hand i posted with aj9t, to take flops and play post. i will be able to play better post flop then them, as well as reduce the variance that comes with getting lots of money in pre. again might not be the most +ev thing to do but i would sacrafice some in exchange for lesser swings in plo. what are your thoughts on this?


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you basically have an SPR below 2 on the flop. You dont need more than 30% to get it in here and break even so you might as well go with it.
yeah i have 1500 left, 900 in the pot, i could just pot my whole range, or bet 500 like i did and shove any turn. probably shouldnt have checked folded. however i dont think this played would shove his jacks on the flop. its a very loose passive game.
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Old 04-20-2017, 03:12 PM   #9
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

Avoiding variance at 18bb plo is like avoiding variance in plo.

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Old 04-20-2017, 04:06 PM   #10
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

Pre-flop you aren't pushing much equity by repotting against the SB with your hand

Flop you are always pushing a small amount to a large amount of equity by getting all of your money in with the pot as is

Variance you are pushing by playing in a game where the button straddles to 100, and you call a 300 open OOP with 18bb to start the hand and 6bb effective with the original raiser 3


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maybe its the best play, still 30% vs aces. not saying its +ev but i somewhat try to avoid high variance preflop spots like this. i have always much preferred in plo to play spots like this or in that other hand i posted with aj9t, to take flops and play post. i will be able to play better post flop then them, as well as reduce the variance that comes with getting lots of money in pre. again might not be the most +ev thing to do but i would sacrafice some in exchange for lesser swings in plo. what are your thoughts on this?

Some people will argue to the death that you should always do what you perceive to be the most +ev thing but I am with you on sacrificing some POTENTIAL +ev spots that often can be -EV spots in exchange for fewer swings in PLO. If you think you have a big edge post flop, avoiding high variance pre-flop spots is probably the preferred option but not as always possible in some instances where you go 4-way to the flop in a 3bet pot with a hand that plays well 4-way that will lead to some high variance post-flop spots.

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Old 04-20-2017, 04:59 PM   #11
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Old 04-20-2017, 07:39 PM   #12
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

OP, is this game held on 7th floor?

5/5 BTN 100 rings a bell.
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Old 04-20-2017, 08:41 PM   #13
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

thanks for the reply. probably should have folded this given so many behind me. i overestimated my equity preflop. im only 57% vs a random hand. not pushing anything by re raising. and just not sure how good flatting the 300 is with 1800 stack and 8 behind me.


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Pre-flop you aren't pushing much equity by repotting against the SB with your hand

Flop you are always pushing a small amount to a large amount of equity by getting all of your money in with the pot as is

Variance you are pushing by playing in a game where the button straddles to 100, and you call a 300 open OOP with 18bb to start the hand and 6bb effective with the original raiser 3





Some people will argue to the death that you should always do what you perceive to be the most +ev thing but I am with you on sacrificing some POTENTIAL +ev spots that often can be -EV spots in exchange for fewer swings in PLO. If you think you have a big edge post flop, avoiding high variance pre-flop spots is probably the preferred option but not as always possible in some instances where you go 4-way to the flop in a 3bet pot with a hand that plays well 4-way that will lead to some high variance post-flop spots.
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Old 04-21-2017, 08:00 AM   #14
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

flatting the 300 is pretty bad

what are you gonna do limp fold?
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:39 AM   #15
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

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flatting the 300 is pretty bad

what are you gonna do limp fold?
yeah, i didnt realize how weak my hand was. vs 4 random cards im 57%. i think its just a fold. probably got caught up in the fact that its a super slow game, finally get normally playable hand and have a guy going all in with any 4.
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Old 04-21-2017, 10:31 AM   #16
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

call is not bad bc your hand is not doing amazing against any 4 (AA is only 65% too), it's bad bc you'd still have to get it in if raised, might as well go for max fold equity rn

you're only doing poorly against AA, I'm too lazy to do the math but it's def under 10% for one of the other 7 players to show up with it

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Old 04-21-2017, 01:28 PM   #17
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

I've played in many live games like this where the unlimited straddle made the game purely preflop.

You can either mass nit it up or play preflop. I would just pot preflop; nobody is playing without AAxx from my experience, they are all waiting for the nuts.
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Old 04-22-2017, 12:51 PM   #18
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

Pretty interesting game. Think have to fold preflop and wait for nuts eventhough it takes a while to catch a fish
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Old 04-22-2017, 02:50 PM   #19
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

If we think they gonna fold kk and good akxx go ahead and pot.
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Old 04-23-2017, 10:55 AM   #20
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

What this seems trolling. SB is supposed to be 100% right? OP said he's not looking. So we're effectively playing vs a 300 blind, so we actually only have 6bbs, this seems like a slamdunk get in.

We don't need 50% to get it in due to straddle, and we just need to have more than 33% if we get in 3 way, or if it's less than 33%, our edge if we get in vs SB has to cover the times we get in multiway with less than needed equity etc, and this hand looks like it must be able to do that.
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Old 04-23-2017, 11:03 AM   #21
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

Pot pre.

As played, flop is OK. Hate the thought of x/f river.
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Old 04-23-2017, 09:14 PM   #22
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

either sit out or raise
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Old 04-23-2017, 09:19 PM   #23
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

whats the benefit of potting and committing pre here? if im 57% vs random 4 cards im not pushing much equity here. and with 8 players to act behind wouldnt this just be a fold?
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Old 04-23-2017, 09:20 PM   #24
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

sometimes they fold
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Old 04-23-2017, 09:23 PM   #25
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Re: 5-5 w/ 100 button straddle. loose game.

the original raiser is not folding. so best case scenario i get in the 600 in a 57% favorite vs the raiser. worst case someone calls with aaxx kkxx or akqj?
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