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Old 02-09-2012, 03:35 AM   #1
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5/5 HU - 3 hands vs. same villain

Villain and I have been shipping in lots of stacks this session. He calls 33%, 3bets 30% on top of that, and has been cbetting about 72% of flops, following up on the turn probably a little more than 50%. He's been trying to win pots.

He'll also pot the turn with total air sometimes. He ships it in really light, one hand i remember was him b/3betting aktt on 369r for 100bbs.

Can we ship flop? Also if we can't, what are we doing 200bbs+ ? He's definitely betting every flush card turn, will you call and hope to improve and see a river go check check?

[converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $5/$5 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11823992

Hero (SB): $2,203 (440.6 bb)
BB: $604 (120.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 T J 8
Hero raises to $15, BB raises to $45, Hero calls $30

Flop: ($90) 8 3 9 (2 players)
BB bets $70, Hero calls $70

Turn: ($230) 2 (2 players)
BB bets $200, Hero ??


Is this an auto-bet on the turn? It's not often but he will go for a c/r in some spots like these. One hand I recall was him having kj78cc, he bet a kt7r, and check/ship an 8 turn with the backdoor flush draw.


[converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $5/$5 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11824002

Hero (SB): $4,608.50 (921.7 bb)
BB: $1,207.50 (241.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J 7 3 6
Hero raises to $15, BB raises to $45, Hero calls $30

Flop: ($90) A 5 4 (2 players)
BB bets $70, Hero calls $70

Turn: ($230) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ???


What do we think of shipping the turn here? His range is wider than a 5 and a boat, though he will bet big/pot if he's super strong. I actually think it's really wide, like he'll probably hope we fold any ****ty pair when he bets this size.



[converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $5/$5 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11824012

Hero (SB): $1,438.50 (287.7 bb)
BB: $755.50 (151.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 J 4 A
Hero raises to $15, BB raises to $45, Hero calls $30

Flop: ($90) 2 5 6 (2 players)
BB bets $60, Hero calls $60

Turn: ($210) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $200, Hero ???
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:02 AM   #2
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Re: 5/5 HU - 3 hands vs. same villain

hand 1) ez ship on the flop
hand 2) pot/get it in on turn
hand 3) i like the play 100bb deep but 150bb i think his bluffing frequency goes down so i'd just fold
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Old 02-09-2012, 10:37 AM   #3
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Re: 5/5 HU - 3 hands vs. same villain

1- fold flop, as played fold turn.

2- raise small and 3bet if he raises. as played i bet turn. hope he c/c and river is a red 2

3- i give up
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:04 AM   #4
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Re: 5/5 HU - 3 hands vs. same villain

1/ It is close btw call and fold.
2/80%pot/all in
3/fold on the flop against such opponent.

He seems like somebody you should not try to bluff and should play only with quite strong hand post.
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:20 AM   #5
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Re: 5/5 HU - 3 hands vs. same villain

fold floop hand 1 urubu?????????? looks like standard peel to me

i usually call 3 as well
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:49 PM   #6
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Re: 5/5 HU - 3 hands vs. same villain

people actually fold the flop in hand 1?
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:00 PM   #7
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Re: 5/5 HU - 3 hands vs. same villain

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people actually fold the flop in hand 1?
noooooooooooo
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Old 02-10-2012, 03:28 AM   #8
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Re: 5/5 HU - 3 hands vs. same villain

1 - peel flop and probably giving up ott

2 - raise flop since people rarely bluff raise A high boards in 3bet pots you'll likely get a decent number of folds AND you have an awesome wrap anyway. As played I b/c turn.

3 - I like mixing in a bluff raise otf (to ~160 maybe bigger if he'll peel turn too wide) here some as he seems to cbet very frequently and in all of the hands you posted you opted to flat flop he's gotta give you some credit since you haven't raised these type of drawing hands on any of these flops. He can't really continue this board but with his small rundowns, random KK87 type hands which are a pretty small portion of his 3betting range.. How do people feel about the bluff raise? I like it better on 236 but I still think it's good here given stack sizes he can't really flat much and 3betting the flop without a big piece would be pretty spewy since we have J763 and such in our range (i.e. hand 2).

As played, If he's really barreling that much I don't hate the turn jam but my default is probably to give up.
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