5/5 Hands don't start 'til the turn
06-18-2016
, 12:29 PM
I've been at the table for 2 orbits and haven't played a hand nor have I paid attention to the action since I've been getting set up with chips and drinks and earphones and such.
I don't know any of the players and they don't know me.
7 handed
1 fold, UTG 2 (1500) raises to 30, UTG3 (2K) calls, hero (2K) calls next to act with 7
8
99
, folds to button (6K) who calls, blinds fold
flop (135) 268
check, check, hero bets 65, everyone calls
turn (395) A
checks to hero
I don't know any of the players and they don't know me.
7 handed
1 fold, UTG 2 (1500) raises to 30, UTG3 (2K) calls, hero (2K) calls next to act with 7
899, folds to button (6K) who calls, blinds foldflop (135) 2
68check, check, hero bets 65, everyone calls
turn (395) A
checks to hero
Last edited by IMA; 06-18-2016 at 12:36 PM.
06-18-2016
, 11:38 PM
06-19-2016
, 06:09 PM
Quote:
I don't think this is an obvious check for several reasons.
A) I can bet almost any turn card. Betting any JQK is going to take the pot down a lot I think
59TJQK are all easy turn barrels
B) I can set my own price. If I check and button bets he can force me to fold. People love to call out pot, which prices me out . So I can make a blocking bet at a price lower than I'm going to be charged. I believe I would have already been raised if anyone held a hand like the nfd.
After the button doesn't raise you for iso on the flop, I think it's safe to say he's likely to be drawing too. As long as he doesn't pot the turn, you have enough equity to call... Against a pot-sized bet, consider many of your outs to be dirty and throw the hand away. So thats why a check here should be obvious. Cause you don't want to put in more money than you have to... C/c is best on this turn
C) deception. If I check, I believe my draws will be transparent
To make money, both you and the V have to make a hand, and its your job to determine if yours is better than his, obviously. So yeah, when the flush hits, when the 5 or the T hits, you should be betting it like you got it, cause you do. And worry not about transparency, just worry about pricing it at a level that your V's range can call
my plan was to bet any almost any turn but the offsuit ace puts a damper in the plan because it's possibly the only card that does not get enough folds to semi bluff the turn
again, pretty straight forward and obvious c/c
sizing is an issue here too, what is the lowest price I can make it that gets enough folds, makes it the cheapest draw for me, and blocks a raise?
pot-sized bet would give u max fold equity
A) I can bet almost any turn card. Betting any JQK is going to take the pot down a lot I think
59TJQK are all easy turn barrels
B) I can set my own price. If I check and button bets he can force me to fold. People love to call out pot, which prices me out . So I can make a blocking bet at a price lower than I'm going to be charged. I believe I would have already been raised if anyone held a hand like the nfd.
After the button doesn't raise you for iso on the flop, I think it's safe to say he's likely to be drawing too. As long as he doesn't pot the turn, you have enough equity to call... Against a pot-sized bet, consider many of your outs to be dirty and throw the hand away. So thats why a check here should be obvious. Cause you don't want to put in more money than you have to... C/c is best on this turn
C) deception. If I check, I believe my draws will be transparent
To make money, both you and the V have to make a hand, and its your job to determine if yours is better than his, obviously. So yeah, when the flush hits, when the 5 or the T hits, you should be betting it like you got it, cause you do. And worry not about transparency, just worry about pricing it at a level that your V's range can call
my plan was to bet any almost any turn but the offsuit ace puts a damper in the plan because it's possibly the only card that does not get enough folds to semi bluff the turn
again, pretty straight forward and obvious c/c
sizing is an issue here too, what is the lowest price I can make it that gets enough folds, makes it the cheapest draw for me, and blocks a raise?
pot-sized bet would give u max fold equity
He wanted everyone to call
06-19-2016
, 11:07 PM
correct
my hand is very strong on the flop and it misses EP raise/call ranges, so my hand is very strong vs weak ranges, I'm betting to induce on the flop which can be dangerous if you don't play extremely well on later streets.
I now hate my turn bet (220). I think the offsuit ace is a bad card to bet because it does not get enough folds, there is no efficient price to block raises
I think betting any JQK is fine tho
button calls, two folds
river Kc
hero bets pot OTR, villain snap calls with aces up, hero says nh sir, takes notes, tops up, and orders more coffee
my hand is very strong on the flop and it misses EP raise/call ranges, so my hand is very strong vs weak ranges, I'm betting to induce on the flop which can be dangerous if you don't play extremely well on later streets.
I now hate my turn bet (220). I think the offsuit ace is a bad card to bet because it does not get enough folds, there is no efficient price to block raises
I think betting any JQK is fine tho
button calls, two folds
river Kc
hero bets pot OTR, villain snap calls with aces up, hero says nh sir, takes notes, tops up, and orders more coffee