5/5 - 7 handed game mix plo/nl game

Start of the game, everyone is pretty relaxed, no one is stuck or winning big yet.

Vilain #1 (utg) 1.8k: very bad passive player, calling station, will chase any draws and just check/fold if he misses

Vilain #2 co covers: Very good player, the best player at the table I would say, although his NL game is better than his PLO game. We have a ton of history, have played many years against each other. That being said, I would say our leveling/bluffing each other years are over and we play pretty much fit/fold against each other.

Hero 2k button: Known as a good tag player, probably viewed as someone that can bluff but will have it in big pots.


Hand in question:

Vilain #1 limps
Hj limps
Vilain #2 makes it 25
I flat on the button Th8hTc5c (yeah yeah I know, not the greatest of calls)

Vilain #1 and hj both call

flop: (85): Kc4c6h , checks to me... I check

Turn (85) Kc4c6h 9h

cheks to Vilain #2 who bets 50, I flat (should I raise?), Vilain #1 flats, hj folds

River (235): Kc4c6h 9h7h

checks to Vilain #2 who bets 200, Hero??? Should I flat to let vilain #1 call or should I raise? If so to what sizing, I think it kinda screams straight flush when I raise there especially if Vilain #2 has the Ace high flush

Firstly, I do not think I am able to comment credibly.

So I thought about this spot and wrote anyway.

This is a very interesting spot. Similar dynamics can occur in other spots with boats (sometimes straights).

My thinking can be ignored but call or raise depending on dynamic ...

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In an aggressive dynamic I think RAISE is best since you can represent a bluff (ace of hearts x) and the bluff can be represented and a worse flush called by Villian 2 or maybe Villan 1 if he is a fish + OVERCALLING ?
If of course you will make this play enough of the time with the ace of hearts.

An issue is if Villian 2 has the ace of hearts, I expect him to fold since Villian 2 with the ace probably thinks (someone) or yourself needs the ace to be bluffing.

Anything looks strong unfortunately. If you could ever pull of an interesting straight flush blocker spot - Raise. RAISE RAISE

Depends on how much Villian 1 is calling. Obvs. calling ace high flush what about King/Queen high? If this is the case def. call since I think it is impossible to represent a bluff for yourself by raising. Would Villan 2 call a raise with ace high flush - if probably then inclined to raise? Villan 1 same applies but am expecting fold.

Cold calling looks strong since you are always have value. Would you be cold calling a king high flush or overcall with worse? The answer is yes if Villian 2 is polarised or maybe just king high.

Super obvious raise, at least 75% of pot

To elaborate on why its obvious, either villain may be willing to get it all in with an ace high flush or try to represent it with blockers

poker in 2016: People open threads to ask if they should raise their straightflushes on the river!

First of all 1010 double suited in a live game, not only am I calling pre-, but I'm grabbing my nuts and shouting wahoo.

I like the way you played it on all streets, river I'd make it 650 because you want to get value from the nut flush

Yeah but you know how these 2p2 nits get when it comes to preflop lol


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I'm raising big here and basically targeting ace high flushes. Regardless of how big you raise it looks really strong and he likely folds all other flushes. So I go 835 or just a little less thinking it's so hard to fold the ace high flush here and pretty easy to fold everything else.

Fold for range balance

if that was the most difficult spot you faced during your last session, you surely got your overall game together!

+1

calling is out of question except the last vilain has A high flush or over calls with KQ high flush.

the pot size lead on river rep A high flush for me in this spot (cheap turn and boom river on 3 way pot) - as a bluff I think x/r is better and straight flush board aint best for that.

that being said I would raise minimum eg 450 to give a decent price to call or POT it to rep bluff with straight flush blockers?

because your raise is Very strong as everyone said. as u do not level vs each other anymore so maybe small raise here imo to get A high flush call

Calling pre all day, especially with position and V1 the station in the hand.

Not a fan of raising turn, flatting seems fine. We have 3 nut cards and the remainder of our outs are T high flush cards.

As played, raise to ~$700, if they fold, nh, if they call, vnh, if they raise, vvnh.

Calling has to be lol-bad.