UTG straddles
Hero (1000) UTG+1 with 68TJ
V is aggressive Asian 20's (2500).
Typical loose table. 3-4 good aggressive players, including V, plus 3-4 more passive, fishy players.

H limps, 16 more limpers.
V on BTN raises (60, I think)
three callers including H.

Flop 270 479
H Checks
Checks to V.
V bets 175
others fold.
H ?

Could see just folding, cuz of the hearts, but does V really have to have hearts to do this? Prolly not. V could have any set. I do think V must have hearts, a set, or a wrap like H's hand, and could have more than one of those. I don't think V cbets into 5 players with nothing, even when checked to.

Could C/R. Realize that fold equity.

Could call to bink the 16 outer (minus 5 hearts = 11 nut outs).

As played, fold.

Should have folded pre...i may limp occcasionally with this hand but would have to be in position and right player mix.

Your hand has a bad flush and gets outflopped by numerous 10-J-q-k-a combos

So villain could have potted to like 200 pre?

This seems like a fairly trivial call with so many nut outs and bdfd.

Folding would be bad, if you think you have any FE, pot/ GII isn't bad/ may be better with FE (hard to get folds live though...) I generally call and GII most non-pairing turns (thought u had position, so would check turn and GII as above or see a river of v checks back and Eval)

Also I feel like I may have been leveled by this thread

Re position, H is UTG+1. V is BTN. H does not have position.

Agreed it's hard to get folds live.

Not a level.

Play 68TJ
Flop 79
Fold????

Maybe I'm just a nit. Was wondering if I shouldn't play 68TJ or if I need a flush draw to go with it. Guess I have been corrupted by Hwang's nittyness. H did not fold.

Well if you do play 68tj - which I would in the right game - you probably don't want fold when the flop is 479. I would considering c/pot or check call, I kind of like check call flop and react accordingly (surrender on turn if board pair or flush, if he checks turn and you miss you can bluff)

Call

The problem with playing 68TJ is that when you flop 479 you get your d/ck cracked by actual plo players who hold 10jqa, 10j AKhh etc or any of the other 40 billion hands that outflop us when we hit the flop

you are getting almost the right direct odds to proceed based on your nut outs alone calling is very profitable here

Got the perfect move, yell "POT!!!!" and get some fold equity. If not, easy double up! RUN IT ONCE!

If you don`t at least call this flop, then you shouldn`t play this hand at all because in most cases you won`t hit the flop better than that.

Of course there are some hands that would crush you but there are also some hands that your crush. I don`t know what kind of reads you have on V. But when you look at the equity based on a wider 3bet-range against your hand with this flop than you are about 50/50 here in average.

Don't fold.
Calling works. (There are a bunch of turns I ship)
Potting it back also works if you think V folds more than 50%.

I thought V had a fold button, so went with ch/R.
H ch/R flop to 575. V ships 400ish more.
H calls.
V shows JT84 for a the top wrap, like H, but also has heart draw and pair, though missing the low wrap (a 5 works for H).
Binks his OTR.

if you are going to check raise. why not go full pot to like 800?

Not sure. I think I have some intuition that on a lowish non-straight flop, it doesn't his people's ranges as hard, so I usually bet less than pot. E.g., if I had 99XX I obviously want a call, and therefore bet a lower amount. So if the flop was 69J (same but higher), and I had 8TQK I would ch/R pot then.

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Fold preflop!!! In a full ring table with 4 good agressive players this hand is a fold UTG. Otherwise you get caught in a situation like this.
As played i would probably call flop and continue only if i hit turn.

I would have to be in the softest game in the world to limp jt86ss utg+1

i wouldn't limp it online or in higher live plo games w good agressive players- but there are plenty of passive live games where it's worth playing

Yah, there were at least 3 really bad passive players. Even the better players tend to limp pre, so I don't think pre was a big mistake, but I could be wrong.

how do you ever fold here

You don't fold otf. The flop question is whether to call or raise.