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04-15-2017 , 01:01 AM

snowmen8883

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Hero is dealt 5678ds straddle to 10 hero (5k) opens to 40 utg +1 (5k) flats mp flat mp flat button flats bb (1k) squeezes to 320 hero flats utg +1 flats one fold from mp other mp flats button now squeezes to 1k bb calls back to hero? Both people have 5k behind. Merit behind shipping is we're gonna have a better chance at holding some live flush draws and squeeze out about 680 dead and our hands going to hold some decent equity against both players get it in range. I know button has AA and The bb squeeze is probably some bigger cards.

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04-15-2017 , 12:38 PM

White Rook

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Fold pre

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04-15-2017 , 03:19 PM

cicakman

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I'd raise pre when it's back to you after bb made it 320

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04-15-2017 , 10:12 PM

cabbagehead

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Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 36

Flat the 1k pre.

Plays well multi-way.

If both raisers are on high cards / AA then there is a great big hole in the middle that the hand plays well to. Definitely some merit in getting bigger flush draws out by shipping it but equity is still not great against AA and other large pairs / bigger rundowns.

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04-16-2017 , 06:01 AM

monikrazy

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Ship it, bb might even be forced to fold

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04-16-2017 , 09:54 PM

inrenokid

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If your hand is only diamonds as in one suit well you should fold, dont call even if it is double suit sometimes, you want to lead with that hand not ship to two sure callers, should have potted to the 320 raise if you had double suits think about folding with four dia. Thats not good if they are competent.

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04-17-2017 , 02:53 AM

monikrazy

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Ds means doublesuited (normally)

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04-17-2017 , 10:35 AM

HairyLobster

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This hand plays good against a tight 3b range of high cards, but is destroyed if he is capable (which most good players are) of having a higher run down. But as played i think shipping is good considering there is still fold equity.

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04-17-2017 , 06:52 PM

snowmen8883

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Originally Posted by White Rook

Fold pre

Log out pre.

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04-17-2017 , 06:56 PM

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snowmen8883

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Maybe I wrote this a bit incorrect. The button and BB are already all in for 1kish. And the two behind me have similar effective 5k stacks. If I flat pre I run the chance of getting more cards in there that put me in worse shape so I'm wondering if ripping in the 5k to go 3 ways is the most effective way to play this. I End up getting it in 4 ways with a 8k side pot the player behind called off 5k with 6653ds and we were off to the races with 24% equity 4 ways. I guess this is a bit trivial but really I'm just wondering when deep when should we be trying to isolate I run into a lot of spots where we're gambling often.

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04-17-2017 , 06:57 PM

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snowmen8883

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Originally Posted by cabbagehead

Equities great against large rundowns. Bout what we need to continue.

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04-17-2017 , 06:59 PM

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snowmen8883

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Originally Posted by cicakman

I'd raise pre when it's back to you after bb made it 320

What's the merit?

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04-17-2017 , 07:02 PM

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WiCane

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Originally Posted by snowmen8883

Maybe I wrote this a bit incorrect. The button and BB are already all in for 1kish. And the two behind me have similar effective 5k stacks. If I flat pre I run the chance of getting more cards in there that put me in worse shape so I'm wondering if ripping in the 5k to go 3 ways is the most effective way to play this. I End up getting it in 4 ways with a 8k side pot the player behind called off 5k with 6653ds and we were off to the races with 24% equity 4 ways. I guess this is a bit trivial but really I'm just wondering when deep when should we be trying to isolate I run into a lot of spots where we're gambling often.

Hell of a game.

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04-17-2017 , 08:08 PM

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snowmen8883

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Originally Posted by WiCane

Hell of a game.

I honestly think it's the best game in the country. Have had some 20k weeks in the 1-2 plo as well. But should we be taking this to a flop or pumping and praying?

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04-17-2017 , 10:41 PM

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AveeMaria

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Don't think there's a need to get creative here. Calling the $1k is fine.

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04-18-2017 , 12:43 AM

#16

cicakman

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Originally Posted by snowmen8883

What's the merit?

get hu, should be only one who can have AA

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04-18-2017 , 06:28 AM

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cabbagehead

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Originally Posted by cicakman

get hu, should be only one who can have AA

I still don't understand why isolate and try to get HU pre-flop with a great rundown hand? The only purpose I can see in that is to eliminate possible moderate flush draws....

Multiple way large raises as this normally results in a players having their high cards removed by each other.

Great opportunity to flop a great wrap with flush draws... Also great opportunity to win the large side pot with any of the above.

Here we goooo

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04-18-2017 , 07:22 AM

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White Rook

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Dont understand the discussion this hand will lose you a lot of money in a longrun, just check your databases.

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04-18-2017 , 07:37 PM

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snowmen8883

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Originally Posted by AveeMaria

Don't think there's a need to get creative here. Calling the $1k is fine.

Yes but if I can go 3 ways with my hand my equity is going to do a lot better then 5 ways. I want my flush draws to have a better chance and price out any chance of similar rundowns. And this is where the discussion is, often in live games were faced with this spot and it's one that I'm honestly lost in sometimes. I think by pricing them out were playing for some dead money and we do much much better going 3 ways.

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04-18-2017 , 07:39 PM

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snowmen8883

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Originally Posted by White Rook

Dont understand the discussion this hand will lose you a lot of money in a longrun, just check your databases.

You don't understand plo or what? I'm 24% multiway. The hand is playable. Fold pre doesn't add anything to this discussion. So why don't you fold out of the discussion as well.

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04-19-2017 , 08:36 AM

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White Rook

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Originally Posted by snowmen8883

You don't understand plo or what? I'm 24% multiway. The hand is playable. Fold pre doesn't add anything to this discussion. So why don't you fold out of the discussion as well.

Ok.

This hand is great no matter is full ring and nobody's folding and they love play 88xx and 77xx that help our hand alot.

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04-19-2017 , 09:27 AM

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b4dger1

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The player behind calling 5k wiht 6653ds indicates that they arent folding much at all to your allin squeeze, so there is not merit of trying to push them out pre. So just call.

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04-19-2017 , 09:16 PM

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snowmen8883

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Originally Posted by b4dger1

The player behind calling 5k wiht 6653ds indicates that they arent folding much at all to your allin squeeze, so there is not merit of trying to push them out pre. So just call.

So I'm supposed to use my heindsight onetime for the night....

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04-19-2017 , 09:42 PM

#24

b4dger1

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Well, you know the players better than we do, and its pretty dumb to look for an GTO answer to this particular spot, because the best line depends so much on your opponents tendencies.

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04-27-2017 , 05:11 PM

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gay_on_tse

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Originally Posted by snowmen8883

You don't understand plo or what? I'm 24% multiway. The hand is playable. Fold pre doesn't add anything to this discussion. So why don't you fold out of the discussion as well.

You already used your hindsight one time already

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