Played this hand at commerce a month ago

Hero sb : 1.7k new at the table, hasn't played too many hands yet. In my 30s, asian.
Main vilain utg +2, covers: seems like a very agressive reg, involved in every hand and just got called for the 10/20 plo

Rock is on utg +1, main vilain limps, a bunch of limps to me in sb
I look down at AsKhTsJh and pot to 80
Folds to main vilain and he repots to 300
I call
Pot (670): Kc4cTd

I check, he checks

Pot (670): Kc4cTd Jd

I lead for 500?? , he calls

Pot (1670) : Kc4cTd Jd8c

Hero ?? I have like 900 behind

I dont feel like he has much club hands in his range since he is pretty aggro and would just stuff it on flop if he did.

Any rundowns like 78910, 910JQ got there as well as clubs. What happened bro? C/fold river.

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Can't recall the last time I saw a good reg limp/3b pre.

I'm not betting turn either.

I'm shoving as played, we might fold him off a chop or even a set

He should never have aq or q9 as played, and even if he played a set strangely (say top set with nut flush draw) he might not be willing to call it off

I would've potted flop. As played, check/call turn. River...hmmmm

I misread hand earlier, didn't see river brought a flush

Not sure on my new plan yet

Im just thinking about what hands we beat here...its not much. OP? Results please lol


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I think hero's implying AAxx w diamonds is a possibility given that he doesn't think clubs are it.

If villain had AAxx he should've jammed turn, even if he had the straight. So, yea, AAxx w diamonds is all we beat.

I was hoping for more insight for the river before posting results. So far I got a "clear check/fold" from you, everyone else seems unsure.

Check/call turn (by checking we underrep ourselves and keep his range wide, by betting we overrep ourselves and don't get much value), as played check/fold river.

As played, given only the description that villain is aggro, I check/call a bet on the river. I don't think villain will be betting most of his flopped FD, but if that's your read then he has more BDFD in his range than Q9xx (I don't think he ever has AQxx). If he has AAxxdd he is probably folding to a river bet but might turn it into a bluff on the river.

I check call turn and check call or fold river depending on read. You say involved in every hand, so makes me lean towards calling. Q9 beats us and AQ beats us, small flushes beat us.

I think a bet on the flop is good. We are ahead of AA and in decent shape against most draws I think.

I think you need a plan on the flop - what if he checks behind? Now there's a free card on that scary board.

as played go with your bluff and pot it, why bet the turn, that is the worst card for us. I would have lead the flop, and checked turn/ give up.

This is why I prefer checking the turn instead of leading like OP. It leaves our range uncapped when we check the river. With that said, straights are never bombing the river. Villain is repping a flush and not a small one if he bets the river. If he checks then we lose.

lets say we check/call turn and river is a brick are we just check/folding?

Yea, you're repping the straight so you gotta shove as played.

Why didn't you bet the flop? Why bet the turn now that you could be beat? I think people get too fancy in PLO. You can make a TONNNNNNNN of money just playing straight up - bet when you have it, fold when you don't. Soooo many people are just terrible at the game.

does the villian bluff a lot? does he just mindlessly pot any flop with aces in this spot?

shoving the river is AWFUL imo
it's almost impossible to get called by worse or fold better.the pot is so bloated he's shipping the turn with any set or straight but he's betting the flop with good clubs.he most likely picked up a back door flush draw.the river is a good card for him to bluff but it's also extremely unlikely he has a flush. a lot of live players will just bluff the scare card when checked to but would never value bet like an 8 high flush or baby sttaight (like he has diamonds missed that flush but has 79) in this spot.it's even more likely if he pot controlled dry aces but has the nut blocker on the river.i'm check snap calling this river

what better hand are you bluffing out on the river?

I never mentioned betting the river in my earlier post because betting is atrocious; it accomplishes nothing. Checking is the only line as played and calling is better than folding given OP's reads.

Why are you asking us? If we take a check/call line on the turn and the river bricks out then reads determine your river line. In a vacuum, I prefer check/folding; I still have all the nut straight hands in my range when I call the turn (if I don't have a redraw) so my range is protected versus people that play with me a lot.

Serious question: are you newish to PLO?

Well im asking you because check/calling turn was your advice, i wanted to see if you had a particular plan on the river or u were gonna check/fold no matter what the runout is.

Serious answer: Define newish, i probably dont have a billion hands in my database like you but ive been playing mostly live plo for the past 2 years. I dont consider myself a newbie but i felt pretty newbie during this hand which is why i made this thread to get good advice from top pros like you

This surprises me. If I have the nut straight on the turn with or without redraws I'm check shoving turn for balance.

I definitely don't just check/fold river no matter the runout, what if it's a KJ, or 10?

I also consider calling anyway, but tough to do so without any reads.

Really should've potted flop imo.

I check/call for balance but I'm more focused on realizing my equity with my weaker range. Live players just aren't very good at adjusting to frequencies and I get to showdown a lot more than I should with my weaker made hands because villains have seen me take similar lines with the top of my range.

If you are check/shoving the turn in this spot, when villain folds you were probably way ahead anyway. If called villains have half the deck, it's a chop, or you are getting freerolled. When you are hoping to chop or avoid half the deck then you are in a bad spot. This is based on playing a standard solid live pro or readless. If you have a read then do what's most +EV.

Thanks for the insight...valid points.