I've been hit over the head with the deck tonight and have villains well covered

UTG+2 just bought in for 2000, older Asian guy, button is on his 3rd or fourth buy in and ready to gamble whats left of his stack, about 800

hero (mandatory straddle) UTG 8897

UTG +2 pots, 2 calls in MP, BTN repots, hero calls?, UT+2 repots, 2 folds, BTN shoves all in, less than double the bets size so UTG + 2 cant repop

I call,

Flop JT2 back door clubs, I check UTG+2 shoves, I call

anything wrong here?

other than your hand sucking and cold calling repots cold nothing

Preflop is terrible. As a quick rule, cold-calling in general is leaking you money. I know how these types of games run and in single/ 3bet pots it is nearly ALWAYS multi-way, which means you have a hand rife with reverse implied odds in what is likely to be a bloated multi-way pot. With that being said, there are some hands you can afford to cold-call with here but this hand is nowhere near good enough to justify it here, especially cold-calling what is effectively a 4bet. tl;dr just fold, you're honestly going to be put in so so many hard/ difficult spots in enormous 3/4bet pots both post and pre flop.

Flop is going to be super standard given you've flopped not bad and the pot is enormous with not much money left to play for. Although instead of x/c you should be jamming this flop yourself after getting here this way given you want to take as much fold equity as possible right now, hoping you can get the other guy in the pot to fold (which helps strengthen your overall equity in the main pot)

doubt this makes that much difference but OP is a typo, was double suited

ok to play this way if we had 6789ds?

fold here

you maybe should fold the flop as well, since you have a garbage dominated wrap; it's tough to say since you did not include pot and bet sizes.

didn't think I could fold the flop since old Asian guy is playing any AAxx this way imo, was much more worried about the BTN having my wrap dominated, so it's (slightly less than?) even money for the side pot, 1200 to win 2900 for all the marbles

what non AAxx hands can we play like this pre? Old Asian guys don't always have AAxx here and sometimes both guys have AA

hand is 8897 FWIW

rundowns without a pair are much better in these situations. Middle rundowns with a pair do not hit the flop often enough. And even when you hit your set you usually not have top set for sure. Looks pretty, but isn`t as pretty when it comes to EV

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I'm new to PLO and this is a bit counterintuitive, now I know

This raises an interesting question, how do you guys handle equity calculations and side pots? Do you try to figure your equity for the main pot as well as your equity for the side pot and figure if u are getting the requisite odds for both (or insufficient for one but compensatory for the other?) or do you take the lazy / possible method of just look at how much you have to call vs how much you can win?

not 100% sure what question you are asking but yeah as an easy example if you have kkxx and one opponent you are 500bb deep with (who you know can never have aaxx) flat calls a 4b shove from someone 100bb deep who you assume always has AAxx then you should reshove even though you have a worse hand than your shorter stacked opponent. this is fairly obvious.

sigh

hand I just played today

limp fest pre, I'm on the button with As5sAh4h, tilty guy on CO pots, I repot, 4 calls, back to CO all in for just over 1k I shove for 2200, called in one spot by UTG

flop 88332

UTG shows 899T one suit for the whole pot

think I might be content to just call IP with double suited aces lol

Try not to be results oriented mate, it's a dream result to get ds AAxx in preflop as you're pushing an equity edge. Sure sometimes you're going to get outflopped but that's poker (PLO especially!). Don't be disheartened, you'll find getting it in with premium AAxx preflop will net you money in the long run.

That is the best part about PLO, tilted fish can always just say **** it and stack off w/ any 4 because they know they've always got 30% equity.

haha, if my bankroll lasts that long

if I had to do it over again I would just flat in position and try to gain an advantage by being a better flop reader than everyone else, controlling variance is gonna be an issue since my bankroll is obviously finite

unfortunately I'm stuck in PLO since the NL game is boooring now lol, so I think I have a lot of homework to do with a calculator.

In hand 1, I was guilty of gambling because I had such a gigantic stack already so why not gamble, which is kind of the opposite of being on tilt I suppose

I tank called in hand 1 because I began to realize that since Asian guy had AAxx exactly, it's hard for him to have either a K or a Q to block my outs. I was thinking that the buttons range was KQ heavy, so I was thinking about it as a straight up flip vs AA for the dry main pot with a chance to scoop the entire pot.

I estimated my odds at about 48%, so don't think my flop call was wrong. Pre was a mistake.

You guys are right btw. Asian guys hand was AA24 one suit. My hand has 45% equity pre flop, but 789T double suited has 49%. I was pretty shocked to see that huge of a difference!

Interesting:

Hand 2 UTG had just under 39% equity vs my actual hand with 8c9c9dTs. Change the 9d to a 7s and it's 42%. 4% equity difference is quite surprising since u get trips more often than straights but the math is the math

Cant be results oriented, CO's range was way wider than AAxx, probably had KKxx or something and even so I'm a big equity fave vs UTG for a buyin, so fist pump gii pre

yep thats right just get it in pre any time u have 4 cards that work together, u will be rich in no time

flatting pre is terrible. i know you're learning but like the above poster said don't be so results oriented.

ok so:
UTG2 40, 2 calls, BTN 220, we call 220, UTG2 980, BTN calls AI 800, Hero calls 980.

So there's 2860 going to the flop and 1020 behind.

I would fold the first time (but maybe not the 2nd? I am not sure), but once you got to the flop at this SPR folding would be a huge mistake.

prob the reason you played it that way

Nailed it

yeah this is right except that he actually had a little above 2000, it was 1200 to call on the flop so V started the hand with 2200