I limp call BTN's raise to $50 from MP (KQTx), BB called too.

BTN $2,000 - mid 70s reg at high stakes games and a big winner at tourneys
BB $2,000 - mid 30s Asian, plays straightforward
Hero $800 - mid 20s Asian, playing tight
LP $2,000 - mid 30s Asian, no reads on him.

Flop (~$215) 444

BB checks
Hero bets $200

Pretty spewy but I tried to take it down on the flop, LP folded pretty quick. BTN looked like he had an overpair and was tanking for a bit and eventually called. If it was only him who called, I was planning on shoving the turn which I think would have worked (even though I'm short) as he's good enough to fold QQ/KK/AAxx. But with BB calling too, I had to shut it down obviously.

Thoughts?

Don't love it really.

You need to be certain that LP and BB are always folding without 4x and that BTN is "good enough* to fold AA, and that you are also leading flop with 4x with that sizing.

It worked, but I'm not sure it's a great play overall. Also, I know it's live - but why the limp-call pre? Seems like the kind of hand / spot you get into on flops where opponents can play well vs our exact hand.

Without being too intrusive - do villains perceive us to be a winner in this game? If you're correct in them perceiving you as tight, which 4x hands are we limp-calling? And OTF, he's always barrelling the hands you're trying folding out with your bluff when checked to - so surely the value play with 4x is X/jam - ergo IMO you got lucky this time. Vs stronger player I don't think it works (negating meta)

Agree. I'm not leading the flop with a 4 and that this is what led the BTN to call me.

There were 4 to 5 players seeing every flop and I don't think raising preflop here accomplishes much. Also, I thought initiative is less important in PLO unless I'm three betting or raising a street or something like that.

True. There aren't many 4x hands in my range other than A456 or 4567. Wrt my image, they don't see me as a winner no. They don't know me as I've only played like 5 sessions of PLO. Anyway, bluff didn't work, I played my hand poorly.

your sizing is really big and people perceive you to check quads with some frequency. I do bluff in these spots a lot but I always check flop and c/r certain opponents and bet turn in other situations as it gets checked through a lot. So i don't ever take ur line really.

I really hate this line tbh....
I feel a ton of villains are not giving you credit for a 4 here. The fact that you limp called pre takes a ton of AAxx out of your range so what exactly are you repping? QQxx?
This seriously just seems like a complete spew to me...

I dont know where to start.. fps all over

In live poker with your short stack... Spew

Maybe in a tourn that would work better cause chip dynamics come into play and they'd worry about the flop shove. But in live cash, they'll just call your small bet cause its small relative to their stacks

Betting 200 makes no sense with any hand, you'd want to bet around 50 on the most static board ever. I do agree your turn shove was probably going to be +EV here, though you'd have much more river fold equity if you set up a pot sized shove, something like 50-150-all in.

Also, no one ever bets the flops, they just check around til the river and then get bet by QQ+ and called by most pairs.