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11-06-2011 , 04:38 AM

CompEng

grinder

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Sorry if this is standard, but I'm not sure what the best play is preflop here. Call/4bet/fold all seem possible. Help?

fwiw utg is a fish. MP is a very good reg, huge winner, very balanced. I hate playing against him. Is he really limping with AA behind the fish expecting someone to raise? The table is pretty nitty, except maybe me.

Feels dirty calling preflop 3bet to fold on this flop.

$5/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10976672

SB: $1,012.75 (101.3 bb)
BB: $345.30 (34.5 bb)
UTG: $633.50 (63.4 bb)
MP: $1,159.85 (116 bb)
Hero (CO): $846.25 (84.6 bb)
BTN: $1,029.75 (103 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K

UTG calls $10, MP calls $10, Hero raises to $55, 4 folds, MP raises to $190, Hero calls $135

Flop: ($405) 9

(2 players)
MP bets $402, Hero folds

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11-06-2011 , 07:04 AM

Lee Jones

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[I don't play this big; a "very good reg, huge winner, very balanced. I hate playing against him" reg would cause me to move to another table.]

I think with the stack sizes, you can't call the three-bet pre. He knows that flop SPR is going to be 1.5; he's loading up for a hand-ending jam on the flop. If effective stacks were 150 BB or so, I think you could see a flop. But of course, if effective stacks were 150 BB, he wouldn't have limp-reraised his aces

Regards, Lee

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11-06-2011 , 07:17 AM

Jabonator

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Don't fold to the 3bet w your 2 pair. That limp behind fish, 3bet reg is pretty weird. I'd expect him to raise his AAs the first time around, hoping people 3bet lightly thinking he's isoing the fish with a wide range. But on the other hand I really can't see him doing this with other hands either. Guess you got to decide whether you think he has aces or not, and either 4bet or call accordingly, getting it in when you flop a set or a fd.

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11-06-2011 , 04:21 PM

j.a.o.p.

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pre
call>>>>>>>>>4bet>>>fold

otf it`s an easy fold.

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11-06-2011 , 04:27 PM

grizy

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I think call is the least likely to be good option.

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11-06-2011 , 04:45 PM

j.a.o.p.

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Originally Posted by grizy

I think call is the least likely to be good option.

rethink!

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11-06-2011 , 04:50 PM

krmont22

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he 100pct has AA....look at the stack sizes...if anyone raises, and god forbid they raise full pot and get a caller or two, its the easiest rejam ever

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11-06-2011 , 05:18 PM

j.a.o.p.

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have to correct myself
call>>>>>fold>4bet
villain has weak aces almost ever.

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11-06-2011 , 05:35 PM

Ummmmmmm

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call

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11-06-2011 , 06:54 PM

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HitmanDK

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Ez call pre - fold flop.

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11-06-2011 , 08:24 PM

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wazz

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jam > call >>>>>>> fold imo

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11-06-2011 , 09:12 PM

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grizy

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A call is probably +EV if villain actually shoves 100% of the time and you actually can play perfet.

Both are probably unrealistic.

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11-06-2011 , 10:43 PM

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Lefort

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I think his play with ****ty AA is great considering that if he iso's he can expect to play a lot of super annoying multi-way pots given that regs will flat wide knowing the fish will be coming along.. this lets him put in a big LRR against someone attempting to iso thinnish and seeing a limped flop isn't that bad of a scenario either

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11-06-2011 , 11:15 PM

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j.a.o.p.

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Originally Posted by grizy

A call is probably +EV if villain actually shoves 100% of the time and you actually can play perfet.

Both are probably unrealistic.

villain will make many mistakes post
mainly c/f or b(small)/f on coordinated mid cards
we will prolly make close to 0 mistakes

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11-06-2011 , 11:25 PM

#15

j.a.o.p.

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Originally Posted by wazz

jam > call >>>>>>> fold imo

we need 45.9% vs his range to jam with positive value.

means villain`s range has to be 6%+

don`t see this....

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