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UTG: $602.70
MP: $972.50
CO: $1239.30
BTN: $2479.80
SB: $267.00
Hero (BB): $2441.50

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is BB with 9 T A K
1 fold, MP raises to $20, CO calls $20, BTN calls $20, 1 fold, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($85.00) 7 J Q (4 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks, BTN bets $60.00, Hero raises to $262, MP folds, CO folds, BTN calls $202

Turn: ($609.00) 3 (2 players)
$2200 effective



Villain is 40/27 over a few hundred hands, 3 bets alot pre, hates to fold pre. dont have too many postflop reads...he does haev a very high wtsd.
I doubled thru him in 3 bet pot when we both had trips, it was a pretty standard hand

The other 2 guys in the pot are both fishy, fwiw


If I did have a set, I think I would check the turn alot, because betting will lead to a huge amount of painful river spots...that said, is check raising here a good line? Is betting better?
Can I make him fold any value hands by check raising ?
Worst case scenario I'm 35% against a set with a fd

bomb and bomb any river

If you think there is a play on the turn that will make him fold some of the time then make it. I would be following through here on turn and river a lot though, with a bet sizing consistent with how I would play QQxx or JJxx, or a hand like KQJ10.

On thing to consider is that even though he has a high wtsd, he just doubled you up and might be reluctant to stack off light on this turn or pay you off light on the river.

leading is fine but I like to start with a check for the reason you stated.

I don't like checking... it's just more important to fold out his marginal hands/draws w sd value that will check behind. We'll never have a marginal hand on the river ourselves so pot control is the exact opposite of what we want.

Pot turn bet river

Pot the turn and shove any river, I guess.

Anyone like a raise PF?

Also I think our turn range is gonna be pretty weak here, whats wrong with ck/call?

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kind of impossible to make a mistake here (except c/f but obv noone ever would). although c/c is my least favourite by far.

i just tend to take the most aggresive line, which is bet. you wont be uncomfortable no matter what he does behind. bet any river if he calls, doesn't have to be big.

What makes our turn range weak?

if he has a similar (much weaker) draw. Its the best to pot turn and shove any river. he could maybe slowplay a semi weak hand like QJ without redraws but still would pot turn here. Checking is the worst option imo.

I pot turn and pot river. Pre flop is a close 3bet. It's not terrible to build a pot pre flop with that hand

I dont like pre 3 bet when its definitely going 4 ways, one of our suits it to the T, and we are 250 deep with the BU, and have the worst position.

i bet on turn praying to god to villain shove. i never ever in my life missed a draw like this... if you didn't hit on turn, you WILL hit on river.

I don't mind 3bet pre. I think either/or is fine. As play I guess u have to bomb turn cause there's not much else u can do. If u do check and villain knows u can check strong then u have to crai.

So our value range for c/r the flop is like JJ/QQ, on the turn all the draws miss.

I doubt villain is drawing to the K high FD here and I don't think he will fold 2 pair on the turn either, so I'd ck/call.

What part do you think is wrong?

C/C turn seems like a good way to turn your hand faceup once you check and def if you plan to check/call. if you check planning to c/c then you must check 100% of your flop C/R range.

c/c is super super exploitable and villains with half a brain will play perfectly against us on almost every river if not every river

i like betting.

pretty much what i was gonna say.

c/r that flop and checking the turn your hand is pretty much face up. it's not like you're too afraid to get raised. bet turn, bet river

i don't like a 3 bet pre with our position and stack size.

the hand is not by any means face up after the checking the turn. after a c/c then its pretty much is though.

Standard bet and bet river.

yeah, i meant to say c/c.

unless villian is afraid of us going for the double c/r, i think he's jsut gonna check back all his pretty much anything but JJ/QQ. betting out and getting him to fold weak but showdownable hands is best.

god this is so awesome

bomb turn, whether you bomb the river is more opopnent dependent than a lot of posts in this thread indicate.