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07-29-2009 , 10:58 PM
BB was pretty aggressive so far, my 1st session with him though, but he c-bet flop like 100% during the 1st hour or so.

Poker Stars $5/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 9 players
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SB: $2061.00
BB: $1691.25
UTG: $595.00
UTG+1: $767.30
UTG+2: $280.00
MP1: $1030.00
Hero (MP2): $1151.90
CO: $250.75
BTN: $3081.50

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is MP2 with 6 5 4 6
4 folds, Hero calls $10, 3 folds, BB raises to $35, Hero calls $25

Flop: ($75.00) T 2 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

His check kinda irritated me somehow (anyways, is this a clear bet by me here? Dont want to go too much into detail here, but you`ll see what I mean once I post results...)

Turn: ($75.00) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $72, Hero ?
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07-29-2009 , 11:01 PM
Raise or fold preflop, fold is better in most lineups.

Bet the flop versus most, with the intention of barreling most turns and getting him off most AAxx and KKxx hands. Now flat the turn, you have a pretty strong made hand, but you definitely don't want stacks going in. Sometimes a 7-8-9 will fall on the river and you'll lose to some bogusness, but most hands don't have many outs versus you that aren't ahead already.

BTW, I'm not sad that he had AQTT or whatever and stand by my advice.
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07-29-2009 , 11:19 PM
1. Can you see a raise on turn (and if how much) after having checked flop? Wonder if villain really checks flop with nutflushdraw, unless he really flopped a monster like you mentioned above (AXTTcc), but that hand is obv just a tiny fraction of his range...

2. If we bet flop and get raised, snapfold?
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07-29-2009 , 11:31 PM
definetely bet flop and i'd call if he raised cause your getting his whole stack on the turn if you hit. not sure if this is bad
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07-30-2009 , 12:06 AM
Dont really know, if we get raised pot on flop it looks pretty much like we`re drawing to the non-club straight outs (9). We have ~800 behind after calling his raise, and ~27% equity on flop (He was agressive so far as I said, but not out of line in big pots or too spewy). Which makes it about neutral IF we get his whole stack when we hit...

Last edited by Dos; 07-30-2009 at 12:15 AM.
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07-30-2009 , 12:19 AM
i'd fold this preflop FR, i might even do so in 6m (that's a lie)

bet the flop def. for a variety of reasons...if he c/r, puke, and u can prob fold. if he flats, u can barrel a lot.

raising the turn would be very bad. you'd be negating his chance to bluff, and you're basically turning a good hand into a bluff
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07-30-2009 , 12:30 AM
Agree with the first two sentences.
My turnraise would turn my hand into a bluff, sure, but wouldnt it be my only chance to get a fold from a non-nutflush? I`m in position, and he has to give me credit for another potbet on river.
If I just call the turn, there`s almost no chance I can make him fold the river if the board doesnt pair. He`s check calling almost 100% with non-nutflushes imo. And from what I`ve seen of him so far, I definitely dont put him on nutflush once he checked the flop.
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07-30-2009 , 12:50 AM
It's never a good idea to set up a way to barrel out a non nut flush
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07-30-2009 , 12:56 AM
Never? Can you elaborate?

Anyways, here`s the next street...

Turn: ($75.00) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $72, Hero calls $72

River: ($219.00) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $216, Hero ?

Final board: T 2 3 6 3

Last edited by Dos; 07-30-2009 at 01:02 AM.
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07-30-2009 , 01:39 AM
shoveskies, this is perfect for you, if he thinks for a sec he'll realize you never check a set on that flop, and probably not even a hand that could make two pair on the turn, and he'll call you with a flushie
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07-30-2009 , 02:37 AM
Good that someone else sees it the same way, cause I wasnt sure if I can shove here for value. Wanted to make it look like I`m turning medium flush (or air) into a bluff, cause my line shouldnt make too much sense to a good player. Pretty hard for me to rep set (=boat) or two pair turned boat here.
Still not sure actually, call or raise. Him potting the river doesnt make too much sense either imo if he`s not planning on calling a shove...
I mean, what does HE think will call his potbet here given the action until this point? (unless he`s on a total bluff with a naked overpair or something and wants me to fold)
(I would`ve definitely felt much better if he`d valuebet around half the pot.)
Given the potsized bet tho, I`d almost tend to a call, even at the time I didnt think he`d pot a flush for value here unless he thinks I`m totally bad. The betsize kind of signals that I either wont get anymore value if I shove (most of the time) or that I`m beat (small % of the time)... does that thought-process make sense to you at all?

Last edited by Dos; 07-30-2009 at 02:52 AM.
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07-30-2009 , 03:54 AM
Preflop: fold!!
Flop: bet
Turn: call
River: shove
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07-30-2009 , 07:52 AM
3 people say to fold this preflop? Really? The cards are all in a row and none of them are 2s or 3s. I don't get it. It's not like it really matters that it's FR when 4 people have already open-folded in front of us. I'd raise this 100% of the time without thinking twice. Postflop's all good assuming you raised the river. If someone's C-betting 100% and then checks a T32 board HU, it makes sense to be a little suspicious and just try to hit your outs.
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07-30-2009 , 08:18 AM
Really surprised nobody can see a call on river (not being results oriented here). The more I think about it, the more I kinda like my last post.
If you are villain, do you really pot the river here unless you want a fold or really have the goods? I just cant see any value in his potbet, unless it`s more or less a bluff that folds to a shove or a monster.
Would appreciate a comment regarding this, Iggy...thanx

Anyways, here`s the result:

River: ($219.00) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $216, Hero raises to $864, BB raises to $1512, Hero pukes in his mouth and calls $180.90 all in

Final Pot: $2308.80
BB shows T 8 T 9 (a full house, Tens full of Threes)
Hero shows 6 5 4 6 (a full house, Sixes full of Threes)
BB wins $2305.80
(Rake: $3.00)
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07-30-2009 , 08:38 AM
Yeah, I kinda see what you're saying with the bet-sizing, but really bet-sizing is just as odd on the turn for a set and even if you're a little scared of monsters on the flop, I'd be more worried about an overpair + FD or something than TT/33.

If anything, I'd say something like AA62 or KK32 makes more sense than TT does on the river and you can still raise for value.
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07-30-2009 , 08:59 AM
Yeah, I guess, turnpotbet is a bit odd as well, since I havent shown any strengh whatsoever up until that point...He`s more or less turning his topset into a bluff there as well.
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07-30-2009 , 10:31 AM
You played it fine, but I would've bet flop most of the time.

Your thought process for raising the turn is pretty bad.
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07-30-2009 , 11:04 AM
I like how you played this hand even if dumping it preflop is an option.
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07-30-2009 , 11:41 AM
It's a pretty cold day in hell if I fold this hand after 4 people folded in front of me.
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07-30-2009 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CZI
You played it fine, but I would've bet flop most of the time.

Your thought process for raising the turn is pretty bad.
The turn raise option wasnt meant to be a standard play, just in this situation specifically, given the action and what I`ve seen from him so far.

Thanx for all the input guys...
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