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Old 06-21-2012, 10:17 PM   #1
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5/10 flop decision

Sorry if this is standard, I'm relatively new to PLO. 5/10 game, 6 handed. 2-3 very weak spots in the game, villain just sat down.

Pre-flop-
I'm in on the button with JdQd88. Straddle to 20, call, villain makes it 60, I call, straddle and utg+2 call. Everyone else including me has ~2k, villain covers.

Pot: 240.

Flop-
10d9x3d. Check to me, I pot, fold fold villain re-pots (720). Re-jam all in, or call and see the turn?

If he has a set and the board pairs on the turn I can get away from my hand. OTOH he can outplay me here as well if that happens. If he checks the turn I jam regardless. I can see merits to both re-jam flop and smooth call/wait for turn.

Thanks for the help.
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Old 06-21-2012, 10:46 PM   #2
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Re: 5/10 flop decision

it doesnt really make that much difference i think. personally, i would shove, since you will get outplayed on the turn more than you will outplay him imo. a 3, for example, would be quite a nasty card. you also might not get paid if you hit. against a bare set you are a favourite, so shipping seems correct here.

however, i dont think he has to have a set here. villain raise pre, right? so why would he check a set after two checks in front of him as the preflop aggressor on a board like this? he cant expect you to bet that often.

i think he could play a hand like AAxx with nut diamonds this way, fearing a checkraise from a set, and now, since you bet in position, go with it, since your range should be wider. or do i mess something up here, and it wasnt the preflop aggressor who checkraised?
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Old 06-22-2012, 07:03 AM   #3
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Re: 5/10 flop decision

really dynamic/villain dependent, since you got repotted in a relatively small pot being 200bb deep your only nut draw being JQ and J8 on a dd board then i think you shouldnt pot it(bet less as i assume you dont bet pot with your bluffs on these boards), the best case scenario is when he has TTxx, worst being AA109dd etc type hands when our only nut draw is a str8 draw, as played i would fold 200bbs deep, but then again i wouldnt play this hand this way
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Old 06-22-2012, 11:34 AM   #4
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Re: 5/10 flop decision

@winnie- how would you have played the hand?

@sau- yeah his c/r didn't make much sense to me, but maybe he knows something I don't. He knew the other people in the line-up better than I did, for example. It was my second time playing in this game and I had identified the weak spots, but he knew them by name when he sat down.

Thanks for the responses so far. I'll post results a little later.
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Old 06-22-2012, 11:43 AM   #5
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Re: 5/10 flop decision

winnie recommends checking behind i guess, since only your wrap has nuts outs and dont wanna build a huge pot and value own himself against a better flush. we are pretty deep here.
good things can happen on the turn, you can make the nutstr8 and possibly be freerolling, you can get value with a flush or might even find a fold against a nitty player and a higher flush, you had a free draw against a set etc...

being 200bb deep i would prefer this line, but potting is not a big mistake since you take it down very often.

as said, i think once you potted you gotta go with it.
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Old 06-22-2012, 11:55 AM   #6
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Re: 5/10 flop decision

Wtf is this discussion. I do the hellmuth here.
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Old 06-22-2012, 12:04 PM   #7
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Re: 5/10 flop decision

id bet something in between 140-160 and probably fold to a potsize raise, cause when we get it in otf, we are usually not in a good shape if hes competent
dont really mind checking behind this deep too, cause it sucks to bet/fold this strong hand
E: but this is live so id be more inclined to bet/getitin
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Old 06-22-2012, 10:15 PM   #8
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Re: 5/10 flop decision

I jammed flop, not wanting to just call and have the turn pair the board/be faced with a tough decision. He called and we chose to run it twice.

First board- 3 right on the turn, pairing the board. F. Q on the river for the straight.
Second board- 3 AGAIN. FFFFFFF. River diamond for a Q high flush.

He doesn't turn over his cards. Then he says, "flush on the second". Hmm. Guess no set. Turns out he had Ad2d66! For the naked nut flush draw, underpair on flop. In retrospect I'm really glad we got it all in on the flop, can't believe villain was willing to commit himself with just that. Chop it up.
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Old 06-23-2012, 02:24 AM   #9
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Re: 5/10 flop decision

JIMP on flop...shove.
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:59 PM   #10
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Re: 5/10 flop decision

its live full ring, one guy has a set, and another has the nfd
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Old 06-23-2012, 10:22 PM   #11
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Re: 5/10 flop decision

would have been nice if it had bricked out twice. 24, 35. you would hated life, scooped the pot and had a great bragging post
villain is crazy.
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Old 06-23-2012, 10:44 PM   #12
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Re: 5/10 flop decision

Fold PF, it doesn't matter what you do now.
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:49 AM   #13
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Re: 5/10 flop decision

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Fold PF, it doesn't matter what you do now.
Seriously? I'm supposed to dump a hand like this, in position with bad players in the game?
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Old 06-24-2012, 12:42 PM   #14
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Re: 5/10 flop decision

reverse implied odds.
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:51 AM   #15
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Re: 5/10 flop decision

it's not full-ring and it's not a fold pre. i'd check back the flop with that stack-pot, however bet/ stacking off is fine
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