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400plo: Facing turnbarrel with dubbele gs+ nfb after villain xr flop. 400plo: Facing turnbarrel with dubbele gs+ nfb after villain xr flop.

02-13-2013 , 09:46 AM
Hey guys, just was in a pretty interesting spot with a double gs + nfb.

Flop call seems standard, If we bink turn our hand is pretty well hidden, and ofc we gonna bluff harts. U guys continu on turn, or is that heavily dependent of hero's image? I think the J is a pretty interesting card, cause our (precieved)range pickes up a lot of equity. Besides that I think people view me as pretty nitty, so I expect a decent ammount of xf's on hart rivers. I assume the deeper we are the more of a call it becomes, correct? I put in some extra stats of player 3, if u need more let me know.

Edit: Just filled in my hand in PPT with the 5h instead of 5s, against AAxx we have 31% with NFD + dubbele ds. So with our actual hand we can bluf/call or vb a little less then 30% of the rivers, since 2 hearts pair the board. Seems like not enough rivers, unless we snapcall on a K, en bluf other str8cards aswell. Anyway wonder what u guys think.



$400.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players -

SB: $396.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 8, AF: 6.7, Hands: 563
BB: $400.00 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 19, 3B: 5, AF: 3.5, Hands: 1046, OC BB 20%, raise cb oop 23%(xf oop 67%), 3b bb 6%, wtsd 28%
UTG: $1089.00 - VPIP: 36, PFR: 24, 3B: 11, AF: 4.6, Hands: 864
CO: $1025.10 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 3.1, Hands: 695
Hero (BTN): $1969.20 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 7, AF: 3.6, Hands: 19499

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN with 5 4 K K
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, BB calls $4

Flop: ($18.00) A 7 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $13.50, BB raises to $58.50, Hero calls $45

Turn: ($135.00) J (2 players)
BB bets $108.00

Last edited by MVB; 02-13-2013 at 09:55 AM.
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02-13-2013 , 09:58 AM
Fold flop

Last edited by Stojkovic; 02-13-2013 at 10:25 AM.
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02-13-2013 , 10:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stojkovic
yeah backdoor fd but still rather just fold. once he raises.
bd fd? You mean fold flop?
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02-13-2013 , 10:28 AM
id be much more inclined to peel turn if i hadnt opened from the button, since hands contested between btn and blinds generally have a mutually distrustful dynamic and so formulating plans that rely on successfully bluffing on a future street to make peeling the current street profitable are often not going to work out too well.

that said, there are a couple of things in your favour - i actually think the fact he c/potted flop works to your advantage since it should tighten your perceived continuing range, and since the cards in your hand should significantly reduce the combos of draws in his, i think you should be able to play rivs quite effectively, although im not sure if thats true to a sufficient extent to justify calling turn - its prob either one of the strongest hands you cant play profitably or one of the weakest that you can, depending on stuff like how tricky your oppt is/what your image is/how balanced his bet/chkcall/chkfold riv ranges are.

edit - actually i prob fold turn just bc we arent making a bunch of money under as close to perfect riv conditions as we can realistically expect, and given how wide our flop cbet range/his highish chkraise % and the fact his sizing weights him against some more marginal stuffs he prob has enough stuff like AQT8 Q hi hearts that absolutely crucifies our riv plans enough to make peeling turn a little too optimistic.

Last edited by validand notinuse; 02-13-2013 at 10:38 AM.
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02-13-2013 , 10:38 AM
misread your hand op sry
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02-13-2013 , 10:46 AM
agree with valid that he can be check raising you with a lot of pair + hands that will NOT be folding when the flush gets there. Its very reasonable for him to have some Axxxhh hand here with at least two overs to the 7 or one over and gut shot with hearts if he doesn't already have some two pairs or sets. I just dont like float in spots people will barrel my bluff cards or just check call anyways
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02-13-2013 , 12:42 PM
Prefer checking the flop as you might still be ahead and he is never folding any Axxxhh - two pair - drawing hands here so a cbet looks worst option. Now that he c/potted the flop calling has some merit but more against since your drawing very thin and with no hearts ott villain is going to more often barrel here with any draw or made hand which only puts you in tougher spots ott. You do have the nut FD but 100bb deep good regs with two pair and sets aren't likely folding.

Now that he bets the turn and looks committed it looks a pretty easy fold as you have no idea where you really stand in this hand.
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