This is the first 4-bet pot we have played that I was on the button, even though his 3-bet percent was 15-20 % (I think). He's had the button in two 4-bet pots prior to this one, and he played passive in both hands.

I spent 10-15 seconds before c-betting. He raised immediately. I couldn't really say what he thinks of me, but my gut feeling says that he raised this small to induce.

I think you should decide before c-betting.

Why? I still would have bet even if I had decided to fold to a raise.

I think you should re-evaluate based on sizing and timing.

I don't think we're getting exploited when we fold this hand, and we're getting it in pretty bad quite often - im happy to fold. I still c-bet as I expect him to make mistakes enough of the time.

absolutely rightm that's how I coach anyway.

How does, 'bets $100 on a 9h turn' tell you anything on the turn that you couldn't figure out on the flop?

The action is the same, you're just waiting for him to do it first before you start thinking about it... which is a waste of your time at the table imo, that should be prepared off table and ready for the situation, not summon you have to summon, theorize, crunch, and decide midhand... doing that in 15 seconds with any real accuracy is preposterous.

Wait and evaluate should be reserved for multi-way pots where we can't really think, solve, theorize past the flop or where too many outcomes are possible such that its not worth the time to do evaluate past the flop, I promise this one is not one of those haha

Here there are a finite number of outcomes (turn cards) and actions (check, bet, fold, bet small, bet large, raise).

There is no reason not to have a plan for all turn cards and lines in a common range + SPR situation like this. In most cases there are only 2-3 viable lines to begin with, and 3-4 indistinguishable turn card groups (cards that you have the same equity against but aren't the same).

So we evaluate those lines for 3 or 4 different boards hinging our range constructions on one or two decision criteria ( those key parts of his range that have enough combos to flop the decision from one line to another).

In this case its probably 'what does he do with his air, marginal draws, and dry pairs when checked to'. With that answered you can solve for the rest and have a full plan/;framework for this spot and similar. All you have to do at the table then is apply the decision criteria to what you know about the player, ballpark the pot odds, and the solution will follow.


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Like here I would solve for a c/r line, and a bet/fold line because bet/call is definitely inferior to c/r, c/f'ing is too much of your top range going into the muck givne your 4-bet, c/c'ing is imbalanced and exploitable unless you c/r big hands in 4-bet pots on the regular.

Because the board is so wet, very few turns we can play well, I think we see too high a peel % to bet/fold, stacks are perfect for him to mercilessly peel you with any piece or draw. And the turn is just generally in favor of his percevied range because more cards are texture changers than are blanks.

So the line here just with theory is c/r, low frequency calls and low avg get it in eq offset by high frequency folds lots of money in pot, if he bets most his range when checked to. math might work out.. but at any rate you can easily calc c/r and bet/fold line EV in this spot and should for future reference.

Woah, I think you misread the hand or something. I'm in position.

I think this is a very easy stack off. We only need 33% equity and I think we are flipping vs a lot of stuff that he has. I think stacking off shows a profit of $18. We're really not that deep (SPR 4) and our opponent is likely to fight back w/ a pair + anything (flush draw or gutshot etc). he's 3 betting so much that he must be 3 betting some junk hands that can't flop us too hard (K742 ds or w/e)... its not like he's only going wraps etc. Your timing tell also works in your favour for stacking off, as you are more likely to be weak when u time bank here.

working against us :

our opponents high 3 bet rate. means he's more likely to have higher equity against us... not so many QQJT no club type hands. sizing. definitely agree bigger = more semibluffy / weaker. 200x deep pre makes stacking off w/ an over pair less attractive. no back doors.

I'd check the flop. Trivial fold after he c/r imo.

34.4%

I would be shocked if we had that much against his range.

Checking seems weak. There's nothing I'd slowplay on that flop.

Your hand is weak.

Lol Villain is me and though it was a bad fold this instance its probably good against my range.

lol @ nit comment too

also it was one of our first 4b pots because you never 4b pre ldo

chk-fold flop

so to those advocating to check fold this flop what's your game plan after u 4 bet? flop top set and flush draw or check fold?