villain here is a very good solid reg and seems to be running real hot at the moment. he runs at 22/17 11% 3bet. we are in a very aggressive preflop table


$3/$6 Ante $1.20 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
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6 Players
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Stacks:
HERO (UTG) ($600) 100bb
UTG+1 ($1,629.33) 272bb
CO ($2,322.74) 387bb
BTN ($1,581.62) 264bb
SB ($2,332.48) 389bb
BB ($4,478.09) 746bb

Pre-Flop: ($16.20, 6 players) HERO is UTG 9 Q A J
HERO raises to $23.88, UTG+1 raises to $63, CO calls $63, 3 folds, HERO calls $39.12

Flop: 8 4 6 ($205.20, 3 players)
HERO checks, UTG+1 bets $133.58, CO folds, $133.58 to HERO ($537)?

i don't think i can ship flop as i have no FE so what do you think about calling then c/f blank turns? or can I flat out fold since he will jam almost all turns and I can't donk rep anything really

check ship flop.. we do have some FE..

+1

More interesting if deeper....

do we even need to have FE? from a mathematical point of view?

You have 0 fe in this spot.

As played you will have to call and recalc your odds on turn.

But i think you should just donkbet all your hands that are good enough (57xx, 789x,68xx,pair+fd enz). Only decision is whether you bet like 130-150 or just pot. A small donk gets UTG+1 in a crappy spot with a player behind 300bb deep. A pot makes your live really easy.

yeah i def agree we have close to no FE in this spot

How do we not have FE? You really think he bet/folds here 0% of the time? I like a check/ship with these stacks.

I do.

Does anyone 4bet pre here?? I mean look at theese stacks u gotta double or trippleup here ) Also with given information i think UTG+1 range could be pretty Wide.

Could you elaborate please? You are saying you would include this hand in your donk/calling range on flop right? I would assume a nonzero amount of FE and prob shove as played but given your assumption of zero FE when he bets it seems like just folding flop after checking would be better than calling flop and folding all turns except a spade or 10 (I'm assuming that is your plan)...

This is a really good point that I was also thinking. There's a ton of turns that villain will just pot and we cant call. I'm not sure about the math but it seems like our odds of trying to hit 1 card by seeing the turn only is not enough to justify a call since we are playing fit or fold.

Is check folding considerable?

Donk > C/R > C/F > C/C

I think donk > C/C > c/r > c/f.

If i call turn, i go with any 9, t,j,q,a . You also have implied odds if you hit your flush and villian might make a lower nut flush. given preflop and flop play kkxx with spades is a large part of villians range. It is also possible that a scare card hits on the turn and it go's c-c and you get to see te river.