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2nd nut straight on turn with redraws 2nd nut straight on turn with redraws

02-19-2013 , 10:16 PM
Somewhat crazy live 2-5 PLO at Aria. Hero has $1300, everyone else is deeper.

2 EP limpers, hero (JT98ccxc) raises to $30. Button (somewhat loud/brash Indian guy), along with the two limpers call. Pot has $130

Flop is J94chc. EP1 and EP2 check, Hero pots for $130. Button calls, EP1 and EP2 fold. Pot is now $390

Turn is Qd.
Question1: What should Hero do?

Whether its correct or not, Hero bets $250. Button repots, putting hero all-in ($850 more).
Question 2: What should Hero do?
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02-19-2013 , 10:45 PM
Call and pray. His range probably contains KT along with sets. You can't fold for 1 psb and you still have your 11-outer.
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02-20-2013 , 01:37 PM
If you got it in after he repotted I think I would play it the exact same way
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02-21-2013 , 04:19 PM
Bump
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02-21-2013 , 04:41 PM
You are beating sets+FDs only which is the only thing I could think they would get it in here without the nuts. So I often fold here to medium/solid players and call the fish/whales

I play the hand similar except I raise more pre probably pot over 2 limpers, and bet less on the turn. Something like 200 rather than 250.
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02-21-2013 , 05:48 PM
Your clubs might not be live. I would absolutely play the hand like you did so far. It's $600 to win $1500 ish. 2.5:1 you need 28.5% equity to call. I suppose he could have QQQ QQTx or QQ w/ clubs) but there's no way he plays JJJ, 999 or 444 like this. If he does have KT it stands to reason he has clubs with it, or he had a wrap but was worried about the presence of the flush draw. Something like KKTx is also possible I suppose. I think the overwhelming likelyhood of KT w/ clubs might push this to a fold but it's bound to be close either way.
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02-21-2013 , 05:49 PM
Actually a non negligible percentage of the time you should be free rolling your opponents queen high straight, so I think that pushes it to a call.
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02-21-2013 , 06:40 PM
Whatever you do on the turn, just don't bet/fold. Even c/fold is better. Normally either c/r or bet/call, depending on the villain. Can c/c c/c vs super-monkeys and even c/c c/f vs mega-nits. Just don't bet/fold.
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02-21-2013 , 07:35 PM
Think it's better to check raise flop, never getting it in horrible, avoids uncomfortable turn spots like this and although we're not loving it we don't hate life if it gets checked behind.

As played bet/call seems fine.
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02-21-2013 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAisaOK
Think it's better to check raise flop, never getting it in horrible, avoids uncomfortable turn spots like this and although we're not loving it we don't hate life if it gets checked behind.

As played bet/call seems fine.
Getting in a c/r on the flop is obviously insanely good for us, especially if one or both of the limpers call. Problem is we have no reason to think loud indian guy is gonna bet. Hand can quickly go from monster to just decent on turns when it checks through vs undefined hands. I think its a clear cb.

Call as played.
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02-21-2013 , 10:38 PM
Hey guys, these responses are great! Keep em coming
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02-24-2013 , 06:21 PM
if these are the indian guys i played with last week 100% of the time i c/r flop but bettin hard isnt bad at all.
as played bet/snap call/ tip dealer
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