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Old 01-23-2010, 10:30 AM   #1
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25/50 deep with mediocre draw against tilting fish

$25/$50 Ante $10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
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Stacks:
UTG ($20,181)
UTG+1 ($7,569)
CO ($17,177.50)
Hero (BTN) ($8,505)
SB ($3,430)
BB ($5,000)

Pre-Flop: ($135, 6 players) Hero is BTN 7 8 9 6
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $235, 1 fold, Hero raises to $840, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $605

Flop: 10 8 A ($1,815, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1,150, UTG+1 calls $1,150

Turn: 2 ($4,115, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $4,115, UTG+1 calls $4,115

River: Q ($12,345, 2 players)

villain is a big fish. who plays any4. he is to 95% on tilt getting owned a few hands in a row by the co. on the flop i would ship it in. not sure if this is the right play.

i now also need advice for the turn. that should we do here? he is the type of player who peals the flop with everything. a oesd a middpair a gutter... he somtimes even makes calls without a reason having like KKxx or QQxx on that board. but scince he is mostlikly tilting i am not sure how many hands he is folding.

what do we do on the river with like 1.5k left effectiv if he checks to us i think we want to push. esspeciale if the Q werent a 2 because he might fold a hand like 9TJx that he made a light peal on the turn.

how would yoi play this hand against a mostlikly tilting fish given you 3bet preflop.
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Old 01-23-2010, 10:51 AM   #2
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Re: 25/50 deep with mediocre draw against tilting fish

i like raising flop a little bigger here, other then that nothing u can do, i bet turn little smaller against fish, in general u rep a stronger range and ur not folding anyway. fish seem to have the tendency to insta put u on draws when u fullpot and just stack off with any T + gutter or w/e, and so if he just flats ur smaller bet u maybe have some fold equity left. now just c/f
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Old 01-23-2010, 11:26 AM   #3
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Re: 25/50 deep with mediocre draw against tilting fish

betting flop vs a tilting fish with this hand seems pretty awful. you can't possibly bluff river
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Old 01-23-2010, 01:51 PM   #4
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Re: 25/50 deep with mediocre draw against tilting fish

Agreed. Tilters make you show hands and don't like to be bluffed. You don't have a made hand yet and you can't bluff. I don't like the turn bet.
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Old 01-23-2010, 02:47 PM   #5
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Re: 25/50 deep with mediocre draw against tilting fish

def. gotta bet flop, specially vs a fish. i check for balancing purposes a decent % against capable players but not here ever
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Old 01-23-2010, 02:59 PM   #6
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Re: 25/50 deep with mediocre draw against tilting fish

I think everything's fine so far, but definitely don't bet the river. You're getting a better hand to fold maybe 1% of the time.
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Old 01-23-2010, 05:09 PM   #7
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Re: 25/50 deep with mediocre draw against tilting fish

i'd check behind flop cuz i don't really want to get cr'ed here and tilty people cr light.

plus i think it sets us up to bet turn and barrel river when appropriate.

as played, i think sticking in the last 1500 has got to be bad (has he checked to you??). you need him to fold better like 12% of the time for it to be better than checking, but what can he possibly have that folds now? dunno, maybe like T965 or something? hmmm. i mean, if you think he folds a naked T or crap 2p then maybe a bet is right. but i don't think we should be in a position to be trying to figure this out.
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Old 01-23-2010, 06:29 PM   #8
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Re: 25/50 deep with mediocre draw against tilting fish

For the same reason I don't bet the river, I don't bet the turn. I don't see the difference other than we still have outs on the turn...not much fold equity too often tho.
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Old 01-23-2010, 07:06 PM   #9
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Re: 25/50 deep with mediocre draw against tilting fish

[QUOTE=jamiezig;16314666]i'd check behind flop cuz i don't really want to get cr'ed here and tilty people cr light.

rlly..
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Old 01-24-2010, 12:02 AM   #10
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Re: 25/50 deep with mediocre draw against tilting fish

the only reason to bet turn is to fire the river on a blank.

if you don't think it'll work in this spot, then check back hte turn.

also, since you have no chips for a river bluff, i'd take it easier on preflop and flop to conserve your bluff equity
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Old 01-24-2010, 04:17 AM   #11
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Re: 25/50 deep with mediocre draw against tilting fish

Smaller bet on the turn to set up a bigger bet on the river?
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Old 01-25-2010, 01:50 AM   #12
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Re: 25/50 deep with mediocre draw against tilting fish

ill say it again...betting flop is really really really bad
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Old 01-25-2010, 04:30 AM   #13
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Re: 25/50 deep with mediocre draw against tilting fish

No it's not. OP did not mention that this fish is a big c/raiser and it's not the kind of board where you get check/raised a lot. Betting is gonna take down the pot a decent amount of the time + you have a decent equity against his flop calling range. Checking back seems fine too, but a little less profitable.
I think double barrelling is fine given that he peels the flop so often. I would not bet the river.

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Old 01-25-2010, 04:03 PM   #14
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Re: 25/50 deep with mediocre draw against tilting fish

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i'd check behind flop cuz i don't really want to get cr'ed here and tilty people cr light.

rlly..
u really want to stick it in here 150bbs deep? a dumb hand like bottom pair w like J9 has us smoked. not sure that betting an A high board and sometimes taking it down makes up for the times we get it in bad here. i'd guess it's close.
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Old 01-25-2010, 04:05 PM   #15
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Re: 25/50 deep with mediocre draw against tilting fish

agreed I think it's just poorly played all around
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