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25/50 Blockers call? 25/50 Blockers call?

05-21-2009 , 05:43 PM
Villain is a well known very successful LAG, but I don't have any history with him.

Poker Stars $25/$50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 129582
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BTN: $4908.00
SB: $20398.00
Hero (BB): $6082.00
UTG: $5000.00
CO: $3619.00

Pre Flop: ($75.00) Hero is BB with 7 A A 7
1 fold, CO raises to $150, 1 fold, SB calls $125, Hero calls $100

Flop: ($450.00) 5 3 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($450.00) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $300, SB folds, Hero calls $300

River: ($1050.00) K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $750

Call this?
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05-21-2009 , 06:05 PM
why do you call the turn if you dont intend to call the river ? looks kinda stupid to me. i think once you call the turn you kinda have to call the river, but i really hate your turn call as well (unless you have a specific read) and id fold the turn...
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05-21-2009 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Zacharrrr
why do you call the turn if you dont intend to call the river ? looks kinda stupid to me.
That's a pretty simplistic approach.

What do you put him on when he bets the turn? And what do you think he puts me on when I call?
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05-21-2009 , 06:16 PM
id say to lead into 3players on that sort of board he has a hand that beats yours like 75% of the time... maybe hes airballing but id need a strong read to call this, i also wouldnt value your blockers too much.
but lets see what others say.
btw: not so much, what does he put you on, more like: what do you beat ??
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05-21-2009 , 06:19 PM
I prefer 3-betting preflop and like postflop as played if you folded river.
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05-21-2009 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Zacharrrr
id say to lead into 3players on that sort of board he has a hand that beats yours like 75% of the time... maybe hes airballing but id need a strong read to call this, i also wouldnt value your blockers too much.
but lets see what others say.
btw: not so much, what does he put you on, more like: what do you beat ??
Name some hands which he could have?
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05-21-2009 , 06:28 PM
id say he opens quite a wide range from CO if hes lag, so yes ok, he might show up with the occasional braodway typa hand that turned a flashdraw or the 9TJQ airballer but hands like 678T, QQ55, 3456 typa hands, and sometimes KK that turned a flashdraw, or some AJT3ss hands he opens as well from CO are well within his range

btw: im not hatin or anything, just dont think river is a call !
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05-21-2009 , 06:38 PM
whats his range for checking back the flop then betting turn?
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05-21-2009 , 06:48 PM
i'd bet the flop a good amount of the time, fold the turn a decent amount of the time, and generally fold the river. i really don't think he's bluffing this river with any sort of regularity, and i think he has you beat on the turn a lot.
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05-21-2009 , 06:53 PM
Bet the flop. Instacall the river

gl

bdd
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05-21-2009 , 06:55 PM
I'd probably raise, seems CO can't have more than a straight unless he has 33xx and our line is credible with a slowplay or a river bink

if my only options were call and fold, I'd probably fold. He has no reason not to vbet every trips and every straight
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05-21-2009 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeestein
I'd probably raise, seems CO can't have more than a straight unless he has 33xx and our line is credible with a slowplay or a river bink

if my only options were call and fold, I'd probably fold. He has no reason not to vbet every trips and every straight
eh, we have 4 straight blockers...if he doesn't have 44 or 55, most 3's come in a hand combo with a 4 or 5...and we checked three times, it'd be repping basically KKKKKK and that's hard to do
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05-21-2009 , 07:25 PM
Does anybody like a c/r on the turn?...Stacks are amazing for it given how the river can play out. The ability to bluff in a spot like this is contingent on him giving us credit for going for a delayed c/r, but frankly it's an ideal spot to do so given it's typical for the player in position to stab on turn after a paired board checks around twice and it's unlikely he has a boat himself. His range shouldn't be that strong for betting here and definitely shouldn't contain hands that can comfortably call 2 streets very often. Our range from the sb should be able to credibly rep a hand here given we overcalled getting good odds to come along with lower quality hands...plus blockers As it was played, I'd fold the river as a default, with some situational calls against certain players.
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05-22-2009 , 01:28 AM
Very opponent dependant. If this is vs gump id fold.
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07-30-2009 , 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ALL1N
That's a pretty simplistic approach.

What do you put him on when he bets the turn? And what do you think he puts me on when I call?
you didnt really say the history though, or what he thinks of you. is this one of the first few hands, where he might be trying to run u over ?
if so, seems as the king as a good card for him to continue bluffing on, increasing his bluffing freq so call ?
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07-30-2009 , 07:49 AM
I think it's fine assuming you called the river. The turn's a spot where neither you or SB are likely to show up with anything, and there really aren't that many hands that check the flop that he can value bet two streets, especially with you having the seven blockers. Also, I think he'll follow almost all his bluffs through on the river since it's so easy for you to have a pocket pair under the K with missed diamonds.
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07-30-2009 , 12:33 PM
Whos the player? Against most I would call. Also repot preflop.
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07-30-2009 , 01:49 PM
Vs. unknowns I call. Vs close to half of the regs I can think of I fold.
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07-30-2009 , 02:45 PM
I would have 3 bet pre and then bet/called the flop against most. As played I usually call the river.
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07-30-2009 , 06:09 PM
I def 3bet this PF. I dont mind your line postflop with a call on river. What are villains cbet tendencies? I ask because I would expect him to be c-betting all his air on this dry flop. If he doesnt cbet much than he can more likely have middling hands that picked up a FD. Would he check the flop with KKXX? If so this is the made hand that makes most sense to me.
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07-31-2009 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Zacharrrr
why do you call the turn if you dont intend to call the river ?

This is very bad reasoning and it amazes me how often people repeat it. There are plenty of spots in big bet where a single barrel is quite likely but a double barrel is quite unlikely.

The extent to which this is such a spot is another question and rather opponent dependent.
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08-03-2009 , 11:42 AM
This is an old hand, the villain was genius28. I folded, but I think that I should have called.

Interesting that the consensus was the 3-bet preflop, I felt that these aces were a little too raggedy for that with 120BB deep vs SB.
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08-03-2009 , 01:12 PM
yeah but co isn't even 80 bb deep so i think 3 bet cause sb might fold. I actually don't know he might auto call
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