Hi there,

I seem to butcher a lot of these type hands, so any comments to any street is much appreciated.
Villain is reg'ish, but usually, and until recently, played lower. He's good, but not great, but fairly solid, and doesn't FPS a lot, probably not this deep anyways.

Seat 2 is the button
Seat 2: Villain ( $5418.10 USD )
Seat 3: Fish ( $4260.50 USD )
Seat 4: Hero ( $7915.65 USD )
Fish posts small blind [$20.00 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$20.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 6 A 8 9 ]
Villain raises [$60.00 USD]
Fish calls [$40.00 USD]
Hero calls [$40.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3, 6, 7 ]
Fish checks
Hero bets [$140.00 USD] (??)
Villain raises [$440.00 USD]
Fish folds
Hero calls [$300.00 USD] (??)
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6 ]
Hero checks
Villain bets [$620.00 USD]
Hero calls [$620.00 USD] (??)
** Dealing River ** [ Q ]
Hero checks
Villain bets [$1550.00 USD]
Hero ??

Fold river. Why didn't you 3bet flop? Favorite against 45, murdering other draws and might fold out sets on blank turns

I dont usually play this high but how about cr river?

3betting flop is definitely an option, and so is c/r, and so is call. I honestly don't have an elaborate strategy for one over the other, except for the more convential frequency analysis. In this case, I felt my lead-call range with the fish being in the hand would be fairly weak so I decided to mix in a strong draw in this range. However, that obviously sucks some life out of my b/3b range, which, at this point, admittedly might be more or less non-existent.

3bet flop, lead into turn for 2/3. QQ if they take you to the river.

This

i like this, if QQ means crying..

The problem with flatting this type hand is when you hit either of your draws villain is going to slow down. You're just so rarely going to hit and stack him because you're bet calling range is going to be chock full of weaker iterations of 98 and Ax of hearts.

It's a good point, and I also think lead/3b or cr is superior to my b/c line. Leading here obviously has the merits of trying to isolate the fish through the rest of the hand, which I like with a lot of my playable range.

Given the flop play, turn is pretty standard, and auto-folding river also - right?

I don't know if I'm auto-folding the river here. From his perspective your range looks super 54-heavy and he probably decided to empty the clip with all of his semibluffs as soon as the 6 fell on the turn. I guess it comes down to how often you donk the flop on this type of texture and how aggro you expect him to be in response. He's really repping only 77, some kind of weird Q6 combo that bluff raised the flop, or a hand like 9876 or 7654. Given our hand, I think there's enough air in his range to justify a call if we expect him to be ****ing around on the flop a fair bit.

Another thing worth considering is his sizing here. If I had 77 in his spot I'd bet 2k+ because you usually either have 76 that's never folding or unimproved 6x or 54 that's often folding for the 1550.

i think this is a really interesting spot and i like OP's and adebisi's thought processes a lot. i cant really improve upon the more technically based analysis already done, but the one thing that does occur to me is that i think it matters a decent amount a) if this is a 100bb max buyin or deep table, b) how big a target "Fish" is and if you think reg also views him as his primary target. Reason being that if reg views him as the reason for playing, a) hes gonna give your initial donk more credit and b) if its 100bb max, hes not going to want to lose the chance to stay deep with him.

Yes, weep sadly as you torch your stacks.

you put yourself in trouble by not 3betting flop...

for turn...my considerations are..
what`s your perceived flop leading range??
with what is villain RRing your flop lead?
i mean,you are 270 bb deep....isn`t he supposed to flat with a naked set?

i`d rather put him on 54 or wrap+fd....therefore i`d cr turn to 1.6k

crazy complicated

I've been thinking quite a bit about this, and even though I can't contradict any of it (as it is most certainly very spot on), it simply doesn't fit very well with my perception of peoples bluffing frequencies in this kind of spot. It might very well be that my fairly random perception is off, but I just feel so valuetowned calling this off. It's basically a function of me most certainly having some kind of hand (6x as the absolute minimum), and villain repping fairly thin given the line/board - and that's just not the kind of situation I see people bluffing a lot in. But you're probably right - I should be calling this.