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Old 07-19-2012, 10:37 AM   #1
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2/5 Live PLO AAQJ in SB-3 ways

New to the game but know half the people as regs. I am in the sb and UTG limps and a few other limps and the button (older guy with 2K) makes it $15. I look down at AAQJ no suit and I pot it to $70. UTG calls and Button calls.

Pot is $235 and flop is Qc6C3s and I thnk this is a standard pot spot but I am not sure. What shoud I do here? Any turn is bad... Or is this board something to be afraid of?
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:54 AM   #2
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Re: 2/5 Live PLO AAQJ in SB-3 ways

if u started the hand 100bb deep pretty standard bet/get it in
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:55 AM   #3
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if u started the hand 100bb deep pretty standard bet/get it in
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Old 07-19-2012, 11:05 AM   #4
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Re: 2/5 Live PLO AAQJ in SB-3 ways

think 150ish is prob better than pot.
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Old 07-19-2012, 01:52 PM   #5
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Re: 2/5 Live PLO AAQJ in SB-3 ways

I tried to bet here but I checked... Wanted to see the action and what would happen on the turn. Being OOP and firing the flop gives my hand away, which is OK but villians can play perfect poker vs my hand.
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:03 PM   #6
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Re: 2/5 Live PLO AAQJ in SB-3 ways

yeah because a bunch of good stuff can happen on the turn...
i dont get how betting gives your hand away any more than 3bpf does (not that i necessarily agree with either, but its not like when you 3bpf people are gonna be like "hmmm what does he have?" then when you bet an innocuous flop a lightbulb will go off in their heads "ohhh ofc he has aces!".
btw even if they do 100pc know you have aces, its gonna make basically no difference to the decisions they make. if they have a decent hand or draw, the moneys going in. if they dont, it isnt.
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:19 PM   #7
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Re: 2/5 Live PLO AAQJ in SB-3 ways

its pretty unlikely for them to have 33 or 66 in their hand for $70 PF. and QQ is v unlikely due to card removal. how deep are you? agree that if you have ~$400 you bet $200 on the flop and get it in or just bet the rest on the turn.

if you're deeper and just called on the flop, you are most likely up against wrap, pr+wrap. do you have Ac? if so much less likely someone has a FD they want to get it in with.

are there any turns i'm folding if called? probably not - maybe 2c.
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:42 PM   #8
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i think our turn plan if called depends a lot on which of the two players we're up against.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:46 PM   #9
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Re: 2/5 Live PLO AAQJ in SB-3 ways

I think any set is likely but I am not worried all that much. I am trying to find what calls preflop and continues on the flop when I lead out. You are all right that whatever happens 100bb deep, getting it in is ok, but here is my chance to screw up.

What I mean by screw up is that 100bb PLO is preflop and flop play. Preflop my hand is a pot 98% of the time. On the flop, if I choose to go with it, I am never folding. But I can fold if I dont commit any money. I am not saying check fold the flop here, I dont mind check calling and leading non club turns, but I am saying if I can get away with a check through on the flop I can be more informed for the turn.

So I check and everyone checks around... The turn is a 7d and I feel that UTG has a hand here and he checks the flop with big hands so that button bets and I call or shove. I can take away a wrap or nut fd from his range because he bets that on the flop.

I check the turn... Now I just gave up in the hand and am folding to any action I guess and betting any non club river.

I messed this hand up a lot but I had reason at the time. I thought UTG was trapping and the button was supposed the be the donky in the hand and shovel money in and I get caught in between and UTG makes out.


Action was check through flop. I check 7d turn and UTG bets $215 and button tanks forever and folds. I fold as well... I considered sticking in my extra $200 ish but I folded.

I HATE my play here and this is the reason I am posting. I put UTG on 45xx or air. Its hard to call or shove here when I can be drawing dead. If I had any card to help I would call almost always. It was more of a read than anything else.
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I considered sticking in my extra $200 ish but I folded.
Am I getting this correctly, you had less than 1 psb left on flop yet decided to "play some poker with them, get reads etc"? Why? Honestly save yourself the trouble and just stick it in in those situations, unless the board comes something ridiculously bad for you and good for a standard 3-bet call range like 678ds
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Old 07-20-2012, 03:18 PM   #11
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Re: 2/5 Live PLO AAQJ in SB-3 ways

i think a lot of the above replies are lol bad.

the pot pre is obv fine, i would have preferred someone fold since we are not suited, but whatever....

pot the flop, fold if you get re-pot (you dont want to be up against a straight draw that can either make it or pick up a big wrap draw, along with a flush redraw -- more concerned with NFD). (assuming you started with 500)....save the last 200 for the next hand/reload!

if you pot the flop and just get called, then shove any non-club, and regarding the straights meh...probably not a lot of straights in the pre-flop range at these levels and 3bets....i would be more concerned with a limped pre-flop.

you didnt say if you had the Ac, because its a big deal if you do and depending on how tricky you are, you can put in some good work with that blocker.
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Old 07-20-2012, 03:43 PM   #12
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i think a lot of the above replies are lol bad.

the pot pre is obv fine, i would have preferred someone fold since we are not suited, but whatever....

pot the flop, fold if you get re-pot (you dont want to be up against a straight draw that can either make it or pick up a big wrap draw, along with a flush redraw -- more concerned with NFD). (assuming you started with 500)....save the last 200 for the next hand/reload!

if you pot the flop and just get called, then shove any non-club, and regarding the straights meh...probably not a lot of straights in the pre-flop range at these levels and 3bets....i would be more concerned with a limped pre-flop.

you didnt say if you had the Ac, because its a big deal if you do and depending on how tricky you are, you can put in some good work with that blocker.
No Ac blocker and your logic is along the lines of what I was thinking.

OTF pot is 235 and I have $430 left so spr:2. I considered a bet but would be horrible if I pot folded here. I hate pot calling it off with 1 pair. I would have also played it differently if it were HU and not 3 ways.

THe fact that I have 1 pair, 3 way hand, OOP makes me HATE this hand.

Not saying I played it well at all. I posted here for feedback bc I hate my play and didnt like my options at the time.
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Old 07-20-2012, 04:14 PM   #13
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Yeah I know you have 430 left, pot for 235 and if you get repotted, then go ahead and fold and keep the 200 (195) left after that.... (if you are saying that AFTER potting for 235 you would have 430 left then that is even more reason to pot-fold).

Pot fold is something that you have to be willing to do on early streets with giant starting hands if you miss....potting flop is only way I see you winning this hand against experienced players (other than everyone checking it down, but I wouldnt give up just yet).

so as to not ramble, when holding the Ac blocker, you ALWAYS pot this flop....without the Ac (in your case) you more often than not pot this flop -- you never check it (only 2 cards in the deck improve your hand, and 1 of them, the Ac makes someone elses)....so really you have 1 ace out to improve, and about half the deck (or more if people pick up wrap draws) can hurt you....

I'm ok with any flop bet of 150-pot in this situation, fold to any re-raise. Fold any bad turn/river cards.

Jam all streets with same hand but Ac.




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No Ac blocker and your logic is along the lines of what I was thinking.

OTF pot is 235 and I have $430 left so spr:2. I considered a bet but would be horrible if I pot folded here. I hate pot calling it off with 1 pair. I would have also played it differently if it were HU and not 3 ways.

THe fact that I have 1 pair, 3 way hand, OOP makes me HATE this hand.

Not saying I played it well at all. I posted here for feedback bc I hate my play and didnt like my options at the time.
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Old 07-20-2012, 04:18 PM   #14
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Re: 2/5 Live PLO AAQJ in SB-3 ways

Also OP, i had almost exact same hand/flop a few weeks ago in 5-10-25 with 6k effective stacks...

pre flop i make it 300 (obv after other action) and get 2 callers...board is 2 connected low suits, and a blank....first to act pots for 900....i reraise to 2000...last to act folds, original better POTS.

i throw up for 10 seconds and muck, bye bye 2.3k

I knew the player pretty well, and of course he shows a big wrap and flush draw.

thats omaha. (i think my aces were suited to J/10 to make it worse, just missed the flop entirely)

(and even though i dont like to look, its a private game and he had the dealer run it out and the straight card and flush card came on the turn, lol...supposed I could have shipped the 6k and ran it 3 times, but that would be senseless)
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Yeah I know you have 430 left, pot for 235 and if you get repotted, then go ahead and fold and keep the 200 (195) left after that.... (if you are saying that AFTER potting for 235 you would have 430 left then that is even more reason to pot-fold).
Pot fold is something that you have to be willing to do on early streets with giant starting hands if you miss....potting flop is only way I see you winning this hand against experienced players (other than everyone checking it down, but I wouldnt give up just yet).

so as to not ramble, when holding the Ac blocker, you ALWAYS pot this flop....without the Ac (in your case) you more often than not pot this flop -- you never check it (only 2 cards in the deck improve your hand, and 1 of them, the Ac makes someone elses)....so really you have 1 ace out to improve, and about half the deck (or more if people pick up wrap draws) can hurt you....

I'm ok with any flop bet of 150-pot in this situation, fold to any re-raise. Fold any bad turn/river cards.

Jam all streets with same hand but Ac.
Come on man. Pot/folding is the absolute worst line you could take.
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