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12-03-2016 , 11:12 AM
I usually play PLO8 with this group but today they are playing PLO. Its great lineup so I play even though PLO not my best game. There is still probably only 1 or 2 players better than me in game and other 3 are really bad.

6 handed game at this point. 1200 effective stacks.

I get AAK2 on my button straddle. Hijack plays probably 80VPIP/50 PFR. After that, he obviously goes to far with a lot of those weak hands but he also has good poker instincts and will put a lot of pressure on when he can either with draws or his big hands.

3 players limp for $10, Hijack makes it 60$, I reraise to $210 (I know Hijack is not folding). Actually, Small blind who is too loose cold calls $210, Hijack calls and we see the flop 3 way.

Flop comes 543: so I flop the wheel and the nut club redraw, nut spade back door draw.

SB checks, Hijack leads $375 into me. I have a little less than $1000 in my stack.

What is our best play here?
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12-03-2016 , 11:44 AM
Neither player should have many 76xx hands in their range so no matter how you play hand you are in great shape. And even if someone has 76xx you have both nut flush draws to improve. I'm guessing you want to keep SB in the hand and the best way to do that is to call the HJ flop bet. Then hope that HJ goes all in on turn and again call hoping that SB comes along again. If neither HJ or SB bet turn then you do the work. You have a monster hand and some one else is doing the betting for you. Congrats. If someone wins with 76xx or the board pairs to beat you, then oh well, but you can't ask for much more than this great situation. If you min raise flop or even pot you can't go wrong, this hand is all win-win situation, but I think SB stays in hand more often if you don't raise flop. But you said SB is loose so play anyway you want.

A side note of interest is that if you usually play PLO8, good PLO8 players would throw away something like 8765 because although they qualify for the low those cards are suckered PLO8 low cards. But you said these players are loose and bad so this point might be unimportant.

Last edited by ladybruin; 12-03-2016 at 11:58 AM.
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12-03-2016 , 03:53 PM
Even if someone did flop 67 you still have enough equity to stack off. A flush draw vs a straight is generally much stronger in PLO than in hold'em because of the EOR of all the side cards. So folding should be out of the question. Because the pot is already so big I am inclined to just put the rest of my stack in instead of taking a chance and just calling.
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12-03-2016 , 03:53 PM
I would call him down all the way
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12-03-2016 , 08:39 PM
ship it on the flop, super standard, especially if you run it twice

I'm not really worried about keeping sb in, something like 2 pair might fold if club hits the turn etc.also calling might give something like 6x a great price

We really can't go wrong shoving whereas calling allows us to make mistakes
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12-06-2016 , 04:22 PM
Pushing here is the way to go. The problem with these pots is, a-2 has you handcuffed. Presumably, you're already splitting the low, and now you need help to claim high half. But there is so much money in, folding is not a possibility... and calling shows weakness.

You already initiated the action pre-flop and flopped nut low with nut high draw, so don't stand down now. You want players to fear a preflop repop later on in the session. And if you turn off the aggression and/or slow down, they'll remember that and might come along next time. Make em pay to play.

Keep the pressure on and if you do hit your card, they will be a bit more fearful of your tenacity.

Even if you don't get high hand, they will understand that if they're going to come along for the ride next time, it won't be an easy one.

Either result makes you a player to fear at the table. Then you can take advantage of that in smaller pots. A push will pay off down the road as Omaha games are built for the aggressor.
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12-06-2016 , 06:54 PM
All good pete, but it's a PLO hand. All in on the flop PLZ.
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12-06-2016 , 08:04 PM
Shove flop, note close imo
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12-07-2016 , 01:16 AM
easiest shove ever
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12-07-2016 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by peteclesno
Pushing here is the way to go. The problem with these pots is, a-2 has you handcuffed. Presumably, you're already splitting the low, and now you need help to claim high half. But there is so much money in, folding is not a possibility... and calling shows weakness.

You already initiated the action pre-flop and flopped nut low with nut high draw, so don't stand down now. You want players to fear a preflop repop later on in the session. And if you turn off the aggression and/or slow down, they'll remember that and might come along next time. Make em pay to play.

Keep the pressure on and if you do hit your card, they will be a bit more fearful of your tenacity.

Even if you don't get high hand, they will understand that if they're going to come along for the ride next time, it won't be an easy one.

Either result makes you a player to fear at the table. Then you can take advantage of that in smaller pots. A push will pay off down the road as Omaha games are built for the aggressor.
i lolīd
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12-08-2016 , 11:30 AM
I dont understand why we would ship flop. No hands we are behind are folding and what hands that we are ahead of would we want to push sb out of. Also occassional bluff hands that bettor may fold to ship.

Calling seems significantly better to me.
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12-08-2016 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by valdos
I dont understand why we would ship flop. No hands we are behind are folding and what hands that we are ahead of would we want to push sb out of. Also occassional bluff hands that bettor may fold to ship.

Calling seems significantly better to me.
We are too shallow to just flat. And i think he will call us with way worse (any set, 2pair , worse fds). If we had 1.2-1.3k then i would definitely flat.
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12-08-2016 , 05:59 PM
Yeah I don't think there's much room for slowplay. Worst case, his entire range is the nuts and we've still got 41.4% equity. I think our equity is closer to a flip.
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12-28-2016 , 07:35 PM
shove the flop, club may kill your action OTT
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