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Old 01-23-2010, 11:38 PM   #1
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2/4 now what?

Both villains are laggy fish that like to stab... plan was to c/r over one bet... now?

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PL Omaha $4(BB)
SB ($532)
BB ($769)
Hero ($369)
UTG+1 ($515)
CO ($607)
BTN ($560)

Dealt to Hero A A 7 2

Hero raises to $14, UTG+1 calls $14, fold, BTN calls $14, SB calls $12, BB calls $10

FLOP ($70) 9 5 7

SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $70, BTN raises to $152, SB folds, BB folds, Hero?
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Old 01-24-2010, 12:05 AM   #2
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Re: 2/4 now what?

Pretty sure its a close your eyes and push and hope your hearts are in the deck.
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Old 01-24-2010, 12:17 AM   #3
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Old 01-24-2010, 04:20 AM   #4
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Fold, move on.
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:18 AM   #5
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Old 01-24-2010, 06:03 AM   #6
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Re: 2/4 now what?

def shove or call (doesn't matter which probably) how can a shove possibly be bad unless you can narrow 2nd lag down some ridiculous range. did everyone notice hero only started with 92bb?

if it goes 3 you'll have the right price vs their ranges, esp with the $70 dead money

If it goes 2 way you'll have $140 overlay which will give you odds vs non nit range.
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Old 01-24-2010, 03:59 PM   #7
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someone post a range where we dont have the odds.
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:06 PM   #8
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Re: 2/4 now what?

what are the odds against a set and made straight?
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Old 01-24-2010, 05:44 PM   #9
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Meh, I didnt really consider the fact that the pot was so big already....but its still definitely going to be really really close...BU range should be redic strong here
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Old 01-24-2010, 06:49 PM   #10
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ya i agree, button's range is gonna be straight and redraw city
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Old 01-24-2010, 07:51 PM   #11
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vs 99** and 68** we have 26.5% equity.

vs 68** and 68*h*h we have 29.75% equity

vs two naked nuts we have 36% equity.
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Old 01-24-2010, 07:53 PM   #12
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Re: 2/4 now what?

anyone who says they fold is a liar

that said, folding might be right
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:26 PM   #13
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Re: 2/4 now what?

Should have posted more thoughts with the OP but was playing at the time

BTN is super loose and bad (prolly 80%+ vpip on BTN), but I've played with him a lot and don't think he really raises here without 68**, of which he has tonssss of combos

UTG+1 could really have anything, his bet vs missed cbet is obscene, so I'm thinking call > shove to try to keep him in and create better odds for myself?
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Old 01-25-2010, 12:56 PM   #14
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anyone who says they fold is a liar

that said, folding might be right
This. You can't be giving up much if anything by calling.
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Should have posted more thoughts with the OP but was playing at the time

BTN is super loose and bad (prolly 80%+ vpip on BTN), but I've played with him a lot and don't think he really raises here without 68**, of which he has tonssss of combos

UTG+1 could really have anything, his bet vs missed cbet is obscene, so I'm thinking call > shove to try to keep him in and create better odds for myself?
Hmm but if you shove is there any chance UTG1 would muck two pair or a set? Maybe my thinking is off but if he would fold these types of hands it would clean up outs in the sense that you get a hand that could potentially have you drawing near dead on the turn assuming the board pairs fold.
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