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| High Stakes PL Omaha Discussion of 2/4 and above pot-limit Omaha poker |
08-05-2009, 12:00 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: May 2006
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2/4 2p + OE in limped pot
Party Poker $400.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
MP: $262.20
CO: $533.80
BTN: $74.00
SB: $856.10
Hero (BB): $403.50
UTG: $161.20
Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with 9  K  8  6 
UTG calls $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 2 folds, Hero checks
Flop: ($14.00) 9  K  7 (3 players)
Hero bets $13.30, UTG calls $13.30, CO raises to $60,
Villain is 35/19 with 3 aggression, seems decent but not amazing, not sure what type of range he would overlimp here. Guy in between is v bad
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08-05-2009, 04:28 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 332
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Re: 2/4 2p + OE in limped pot
call and get it in on a safe turn? I dont know but I just dont want to fold and I think raising here would be pretty spwey right? So I think calling would be the only option.
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08-05-2009, 07:41 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: May 2008
Location: London
Posts: 4,187
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Re: 2/4 2p + OE in limped pot
Pretty standard fold. Take a look at this:
Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: Kc9s7d
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
Kh9h8h6c 42.87% 242,809 28,853
KK**,99**,77**,JT8*,T86* 57.13% 328,338 28,853
I'm not even sure if he'll raise 77xx in position, cause raise/folding it would be weird/bad, and if he raise/calls, he's gonna have the worst of it quite often. If we remove 77** from his range, our equity goes down further.
If he's a decent player I'm absolutely positive he won't raise K9xx/K7xx/865xx/T987/9876.
So in conclusion, we invested 15 bucks with 385 behind, we're OOP and we're in very bad shape against his range. Really easy fold.
Continuing here would be a traditional mistake transitioning hold'em players make. We think we have a great hand, with a boatload of possibilities, where in fact we are crushed if we face resistance.
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08-05-2009, 08:19 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Santa Barbara
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Re: 2/4 2p + OE in limped pot
If our hand was top 2 less support I'd probably agree fold is pretty standard
Is this simulation that accurate? Isn't a CO raising most of his KK combinations, so you can deweight that? Imo if you do by saying he only limps his 1/3 crappiest KK:
Kh9h8h6c 46.49% 264,658 28,599
KK2*,KK3*,KK4*,KK5*,99**,77**,JT8*,T86* 53.51% 306,743 28,599
Then this is probably a push since we need like 47% directly to get it in.
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08-05-2009, 08:22 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Santa Barbara
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Re: 2/4 2p + OE in limped pot
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pokerpudel
call and get it in on a safe turn? I dont know but I just dont want to fold and I think raising here would be pretty spwey right? So I think calling would be the only option.
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I think calling is very good here we're oop and don't know what a safe turn is anyways and dominated straight draws will call our raise while better hands (bottom set) may (and should) fold.
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08-05-2009, 11:51 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Wash DC
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Re: 2/4 2p + OE in limped pot
def fold
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08-05-2009, 12:01 PM
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#7
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: 2/4 2p + OE in limped pot
Fold
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08-05-2009, 12:03 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: beer me that 60/40?
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Re: 2/4 2p + OE in limped pot
Given that your read on UTG is that of a very bad player, I really think most of you guys are assigning way too tight of a range for CO's raise. While this is obviously not a fistpump get it in type of spot, I certainly don't think it's a fold; removing a lot of the 2pr/wrap combos from his range seems wrong to me.
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08-05-2009, 12:09 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: May 2008
Location: London
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Re: 2/4 2p + OE in limped pot
Well if he's bad enough to overlimp JT97/T987/9876 and bad enough to raise the flop with those, or worse yet with less, then it shouldn't be too hard to get his money later on.
Honestly, gordo, everytime I try to convince myself that villain sucks so he could have those random hands you mentioned, I get it in (or flatcall and get it in on a blank turn, whatever, you get it), he flips KKxx and I'm taught a pretty expensive lesson.
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