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2/4 2p + gutshot on flush draw /straight board 2/4 2p + gutshot on flush draw /straight board

08-04-2009 , 12:14 AM
Party Poker $400.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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BB: $641.35
UTG: $886.75
CO: $525.85
Hero (BTN): $402.25
SB: $379.95

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN with Q K A A
1 fold, CO raises to $12, Hero raises to $45.75, 2 folds, CO calls $33.75

Flop: ($97.50) J K Q (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $62.00, CO calls $62

Turn: ($221.50) 2 (2 players)
CO bets $225.25, $70 left



He is 29/12 over 1.3k hands datamined, no notes on him. he seems decent, if overly passive preflop. and he never folds to 3 bets [4%] postflop he seems solid.

Is the flop a bet call? and as played? he led turn very fast
I think turn is probably a relatively easy fold, I'm mostly interested in whether people bet call this flop or take another line
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08-04-2009 , 12:48 AM
I think the turn is a pretty easy fold, esp. with the Ac in your hand.

As for the flop, prob a bet/puke/call
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08-04-2009 , 01:59 AM
I agree. I think the flop is a tough bet/call with the Ace blockers and top two and the turn is a fold.
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08-04-2009 , 02:45 AM
At first glance we kinda like this flop but if you take into account op's stat's on villain's pre-flop raise frequency, his post flop playing tendencies(nutpeddler) and we use our hole cards + flop to narrow villains range, in order for him to not c/f the flop, his range= straights, 2pair+fd, sets+fd. So if we stab at the pot on the flop and get re-pot, we need to call $280 to win $560, we have 28% equity against his range making this a slightly neg EV but high variance. If we b/f super -EV. So I prefer to check-back the flop, then play the turn. Against this villain, who know's he has a tight image yet you still 3bet him he should think this flop hit you pretty hard, I wouldn't expect him to lead the turn as a bluff very often.

cliff notes: check it back > b/c > b/f

Last edited by OntheGoGo; 08-04-2009 at 02:52 AM.
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08-04-2009 , 04:30 AM
I dont know. Given the fact that he might raise KJTx here oder KT+FD on the flop I bet/stack of on this one. Turn super easy muck however I think.
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08-04-2009 , 10:13 AM
checking back the flop is an option and turn looks like a pretty easy fold.

as for preflop flatting (or maybe raising smaller) definitely is an option.
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08-04-2009 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Hattifnatt
checking back the flop is an option and turn looks like a pretty easy fold.

as for preflop flatting (or maybe raising smaller) definitely is an option.
You really like making small 3-bets on the button don't you? As for the hand I do prefer checking the flop if you don't want to get it in on the flop.
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08-04-2009 , 02:06 PM
I'm surprised how sure everyone is that the turn is an "easy fold". What do you guys think he has?
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08-04-2009 , 02:24 PM
I like checking back flop as a std. turn spot seems like it could go either way. Looks like villian has either 910 or some kinda weird pair combo draw. How would villian play a dry qj or kj?
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08-04-2009 , 05:04 PM
I would check back the flop vs an opponent who is likely to pot the turn with anything less than the nuts.
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08-04-2009 , 05:20 PM
I don't get why everyone agrees that we should bet/call the flop yet snapfold when he leads this blankish turn. Please to be explaining.
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08-04-2009 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CZI
I don't get why everyone agrees that we should bet/call the flop yet snapfold when he leads this blankish turn. Please to be explaining.
I think his leading into someone who just bet pot range is probably a lot tigher than his c/r a drawy board against a c-bettor range.

It really looks like he has 910 or maybe a set and was looking for a safe turn cause that kind flop kind of nails our perceived 3-betting range. If he was gonna get frisky with like a hi fd or whatever, I think he'd do so on flop.
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08-04-2009 , 06:13 PM
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I think his leading into someone who just bet pot range is probably a lot tigher than his c/r a drawy board against a c-bettor range.
I think you're phrasing this kind of biased. Both bolded parts are basically describing the same action aka the flop cbet, correct me if I'm wrong.

So you think he's more likely to play T9xx like this instead of C/R flop? Yet you think he'd C/R something like pair+NFD on the flop? I'm not so sure. You say you'd bet/puke/call naked AAKQ on this flop. Then why would he ever wait for a safe turn with T9xx?

From my experience, the type of hand you're gonna see most here is something like KJxxcc.
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