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05-25-2011, 04:47 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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1020 deep, big pot, lot of decisions
UTG is a reg that just recently changed his sn. Cant really say a lot about him other than he´s been really loose. SB is not great,but not terrible either, likely inexperienced in PLO. He has been running quite hot, getting it in thinly/slightly bad. I have been pounding on him a little in recent hands.
Relevant stats are (only about 100 hands each):
SB: 39/25, folds to flop bet 32%,
UTG: 40/27 folds to flop bet 33%
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $20(BB) Replayer
SB ($14,272)
Hero ($6,110)
UTG ($5,263)
CO ($2,000)
BTN ($3,834)
Dealt to Hero 7  9  8  A
UTG raises to $60, fold, fold, SB calls $50, Hero raises to $240, UTG calls $180, SB calls $180
FLOP ($720) A  2  8
SB checks, Hero bets $500, UTG calls $500, SB calls $500
TURN ($2,220) A  2  8  5
SB checks, Hero bets $1,500, UTG folds, [color=red]SB raises to $6,717, Hero calls $3,870
Comments on all streets appreciated
Last edited by MATT111; 05-25-2011 at 04:53 PM.
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05-25-2011, 05:08 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: 1020 deep, big pot, lot of decisions
I'd call and be unhappy about it =\
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05-25-2011, 05:25 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: 1020 deep, big pot, lot of decisions
i really hate pre. rest of the hand is a total disaster because of pre. i dont wanna put in 300bb with a8 in that spot.
that said i would probably still do the same as DB
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05-25-2011, 05:29 PM
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veteran
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Re: 1020 deep, big pot, lot of decisions
Pre is terrible this deep vs UTG raise. Check turn, as played can't fold to the raise.
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05-25-2011, 05:40 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: 1020 deep, big pot, lot of decisions
First villain opens like 30% utg. Other guy is loose as well. It likely still isnt great, thats why i was asking.
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05-25-2011, 05:40 PM
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adept
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Re: 1020 deep, big pot, lot of decisions
don't like PF this deep, probably fold turn but unhappy about it
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05-25-2011, 07:22 PM
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banned
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Re: 1020 deep, big pot, lot of decisions
I think pre is good for most dynamics. You need to 3 bet and put the pressure on in marginal spots or you will give up a lot of room. This is a more risk oriented strategy. Turn is kind of gross I think recent table history will confirm for you whether or not you have dug your own grave and are forced to call this turn because you have induced it via aggressive play. Getting called twice on the flop is strange.
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05-25-2011, 10:56 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: 1020 deep, big pot, lot of decisions
Pre is whatever, I don't usually do it but it can't be bad if he's opening 30% utg and isn't a postflop maestro. Post is standard, if in doubt get it in and get there.
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05-26-2011, 12:10 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: 1020 deep, big pot, lot of decisions
Our line looks so strong and villain probably expect that we are not folding often so I fold. kinda close without more reads call is prob. standard..
pre cant be that bad but is rarely ideal
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05-26-2011, 04:42 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: 1020 deep, big pot, lot of decisions
Quote:
Originally Posted by antchev
Check turn,
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That is the most interesting decision imo. Anybody else likes a turn check?
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05-26-2011, 07:19 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: 1020 deep, big pot, lot of decisions
checking is result oriented imo
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05-26-2011, 08:30 AM
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enthusiast
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Re: 1020 deep, big pot, lot of decisions
What are the hands in SBs range that we are afraid of here? He should not have a set here, and doesn't OPs read that he has been getting it in light and the fact that SB may feel that hero is running him over make combodraws that just gained extra outs the most part of SBs range(and is just meh, im never in bad shape CRAI!).
edit: I do realize that we never crush the drawing hands, and may even be ~flipping against some, but i really dont see us being crushed almost ever either.
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05-26-2011, 11:35 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: 1020 deep, big pot, lot of decisions
Pf is a pretty large mistake IMO.
Edit: Turn sucks, depends on villain probably a cry fold.
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05-26-2011, 11:57 AM
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adept
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Re: 1020 deep, big pot, lot of decisions
i don't see all the fuss about pre? UTG is opening 30% and we have an above avg hand, mixing up our play here can't be as bad as ppl say it is.
flop is standard and turn is close btw b/c and b/f, but given the recent history of OP slapping SB around a little bit, i lean closer to a b/c but feel really slutty about it.
checking the turn is too dangerous imo. there are virtually no rivers that we like, and given that we're squeezed between UTG and SB, there's a lot of room to make a lot of mistakes
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05-26-2011, 09:15 PM
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veteran
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Re: 1020 deep, big pot, lot of decisions
Almost a nothing to see here hand except that we started 300bb effective. I'm not very unhappy about the turn development actually.
But this is where you have to know their coping mechanism. Some lash out while the rest wait to strike. I'd use that to choose my final action.
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