Hand with me and 2 fish (so 3 fish amirite) at £10/25.

Both Fish have pretty high VPIPs. Fish A is much less bad that fish B. Neither are overly aggressive post. Fish A comes from an NL background and barrels a little in an NL fashion. Fish B will only bet pot. Fish A has weird sidings on all streets in all spots.

Me and Fish A are like £5k effective. Fish B has like £2k.

Fish A limps HJ and Fish B CO. Folds to be in BB and I make it £100 with AdQxTd9x. Fish A now makes it £275. Fish B flats and I flat.

Flop comes Ah7x5h. Check to Fish A bets £275, Fish B folds and hero peels.

Turn 4x. Plan is to probably just give up on this street however, hero checks and Fish A bets £275 again. Hero peels.

River Qx. Fd bricks.

Fish A will view me as capable and tricky. I think he's gonna hero light.

Do people prefer to check in flop or lead? Why? If lead, what size? Why?

Hero...he leads £1.2k.

Thoughts?

Annnnnyyyy thoughts?

your reads are terrible

never leading flop. otr might c/c sometime, c/f sometime. prob never c/f actually unless he bombs it or smt

*my bad, meant river. Will change OP.

I like the lead since he never has the straight given his sizing on the turn

your hand isnt strong enough to check raise; and since he might check back a weaker two pair but will likely call with them a lead is a good play here, especially since youll get more calls when he puts you on a missed draw (which is what your line looks like)

I wouldnt bet so much though, unless theres some meta-thing going on where you think your really large bets will be perceived as bluffs; just bet 1/4-1/2 pot if you want to get called

+1 never leading flop. bloating pot OOP with a mediocre hand = bad

Yeah to reaffirm, ignore flop in opening post, was a typo. Question was solely regarding leading river. Sorry guys, sloppy on my part, was typing it out in taxi on way to a session.

If u think the river is a lead it is unlikely that your river strategy will have u betting so small

so he bets like 275 OTT into 1k+? I'd imagine you'd know what this sizing means...c/r the turn seems like a good idea.....I would think OTR hes capped at A5 so id bet accordingly

if this is good, its for reasons that are either beyond my current lvl of comprehension or so oppt specific that asking a bunch of ppl who werent at the tbl and dont know the player is a bad idea bc if ur right the responses might cause you to question yourself and if ur wrong the reasons given by others for it being bad will appear to you to be irrelevant.

We are told villain uses weird sizings so need to take care capping his range. While such a small turn bet looks and probably is ******ed it is both a sizing which suits an AI reraise if you had check raised and imo in line with a fish holding a scared set.

Maybe Im seeing ghosts but I wouldn't lead river, would check decide.

To be honest, I don't see many hands in his range that you're ahead of that can call. What kind of A7xx, A5xx hands limp/re-raise the flop? Any kind of 75xx combos would almost always be part of a run-down which makes a ton of straight on the turn. So maybe that narrows it down to just hands like AKKx, AKQJ hands?

Do you completely discount AAxx from his range? Perhaps he's super strong and has like AAxxhh and looking to induce? He could still have AQQx as well, granted a small part of his range.

Tough spot but I don't think you can value bet.

In a vacuum with your reads, I like it, otherwise no

He said villain is bad. Without more specific reads, I can definitely see a bad player calling off a weird two pair.

any reads on the fishes limp re raising range for less than pot when entering the pot in the HJ? id imagine most fish with a nl back ground would just open AAxx or at least limp re raise pot sized.

on river leading looks to have some merits as a blocking bet and for some value.
if we think he will call with weaker 2pr that he is going to check bk with and only flat his AAxx combos and bluff re raise rarely I can see betting smallish being decent.


If hero already knows villain has strange bet sizings I think he should have some idea of what the turn and river bets mean much more so than us read less folk.